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Message from Mexico: U.S. Is Polluting Water It May Someday Need to Drink

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Re: Message from Mexico: U.S. Is Polluting Water It May Someday Need to Drink

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The water would rain down eventually and replenish natural reservoirs. This, of course, further limits where the plant must be located (coastal areas would not be adequate for this)

There's no assurance the water would rain down where you wanted it to. Since the Earth is radiating its heat anyway , just over more area, you're also only transferring that evaporation to specific locations (though it's possible that goethermal heat would radiate into space without heating and vaporizing water in some cases). On a net basis the effect would likely be too small to matter. I suspect utilizing the heat…

Agreed.

I wonder if the energy in the Yellowstone system could be tapped for that. We would at least have the plot for a really bad sci-fi movie...

Taking seawater to it would be an interesting problem in itself.

Re: Message from Mexico: U.S. Is Polluting Water It May Someday Need to Drink

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My thought exactly! Is this accurate, deep water reserves are allowed to be polluted? That doesn't make sense at all, and it's completely insane if it's true... Even Russia has laws protecting deep aquifers, in fact they're considered cleaner than the surface reserves (that may actually be true seeing as Baikal has a goddamn paper mill on its shore).

Reminds me of this radioactive contaminated lake in Russia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Karachay

And there I was thinking Windscale was the dumbest reactor design ever built.

Re: Message from Mexico: U.S. Is Polluting Water It May Someday Need to Drink

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That redevelopment would have been extremely reasonable if they were the mayor of Sunnydale. Also, unless that were the only school in the area, your question may have been unproductive. The marginal value to society of a commercial installation can be greater than that of a school.

I'm going to need context for this. People will commute for hours per week to buy/rent a home in a good school district. I'm looking into school right now where homes in the neighbourhood are $1MM+. I can't afford that so I'll try and get our kid in through the special snowflake waiver. People will spend ungodly amounts of money to move to an area with decent schools.

Here in Edinburgh (which has a very high level of kids in private school - around 25%, very unusual for the UK) a recent report suggested that it was actually cheaper to send 2 kids to private school than to relocate to an area that has a good state school.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/education/private-school-cheape...

Re: Message from Mexico: U.S. Is Polluting Water It May Someday Need to Drink

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That was never an option. Why do you hate America?

I know you're being facetious but some people actually do think this way. I witnessed a discussion a few days ago where a person took a positive pro-change position regarding something and people literally started saying things like "Why do you hate freedom? Why do you hate our constitution?". A lot of people aren't willing to stand up for what's right and good and feel that attacking you is an appropriate response w…

It's a side effect of American Exceptionalism.

Re: Message from Mexico: U.S. Is Polluting Water It May Someday Need to Drink

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Maybe. Photovoltaic solar produces lots of waste, more than nuclear. And it requires lots of land. Solar thermal is much more efficient but it's expensive and no one seems to be doing it in scale. And it too requires lots of land. And don't say we have lots of land, we do, but it's remote, so you need a lot of infrastructure to make use of it. We can do that (we did for hydrocarbons), but it's not a slam dunk. Becaus…

I continue to be confused about how nuclear can be considered better / cheaper / cleaner without factoring the cost of storing the waste for 10,000 years. We seem to struggle with unintended consequences of waste management on the decade scale, let alone several millennia.

You can factor in cost of storing. It should get exponentially cheaper as we store more and more. And single decent nuclear conflict and the cost of storing nuclear waste drops to zero.

Re: Message from Mexico: U.S. Is Polluting Water It May Someday Need to Drink

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For example, in eastern Wyoming, an analysis showed that it would cost half a million dollars to construct a water well into deep, but high-quality aquifer reserves. That, plus an untested assumption that all the deep layers below it could only contain poor-quality water, led regulators to allow a uranium mine to inject more than 200,000 gallons of toxic and radioactive waste every day into the underground reservoirs…

What in rural Wyoming would ever justify spending half a million dollars for a single water well? I do not think an example like the massive urban conglomeration of Mexico City (greater area: 21.2 million people) naturally analogizes to such areas.

>What...would ever...

Those words sound like the tell-tale signs of the short-sightedness that drives some of these decisions. I believe the next sentence, which may not be uttered until years later, is "Doh!", while face-palming.

And half a million dollars is really nothing, meaning the eventual face palm is even more likely. Not to mention it could become even less costly to access it in the future.

Re: Message from Mexico: U.S. Is Polluting Water It May Someday Need to Drink

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Why don't they do that then? Why do I keep seeing news of waste languishing in temporary storage, being "secretly" moved to different temporary storage, drifting in dust form over entire communities, leaking out into groundwater, etc.? Maybe DOE should hire some HN experts so they'll learn how the job ought to be done? As much money as the nuclear industry has stolen from taxpayers, I think they can afford you.

They tried to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_r... But "environmentalists" stepped in and ended funding. Now we are stuck with the current situation of pretty much every power plant for themselves and storage all over the country.

The main problems with Yucca Mountain were that the site wasn't really suitable (permeable geology, nearby water table, seismic activity). Unfortunately, the best sites for such a long term storage facility would be in the northeast under a geologically stable mountain made of impermeable granite, but those sites were removed from consideration by congressional fiat a while back.

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Three step process: 1) buy perrows book "normal accidents" 2) read the nuclear accident chapters 3) begin marching in the streets at the sign of any new old-style nuclear plants, or the continued operation of the existing ones. optional: 4) wonder in amazement how a chernobyl or fukushima isn't happening every year. That type of nuclear power generation really is that terrible. (note - I am actually pro-nuclear-power…

wonder in amazement how a chernobyl or fukushima isn't happening every year. Comparing Fukushima and Chernobyl is like comparing apples and turds. The debacle at Fukushima had nothing to do with the reactor design; it was due to the braindead siting of the backup diesel generators and their switchgear behind a seawall that got overrun by the tsunami. The reactor design itself was fine, and in fact has withstood loss…

Comparing Fukushima and Chernobyl is...

Perfectly valid.

Neither were failsafe. Where failsafes existed, they were disabled.

Bad things happened.

...have delivered decades of power with no problems.

Yet. The externalities are brutal.

Re: Message from Mexico: U.S. Is Polluting Water It May Someday Need to Drink

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Simply that nanotech can accomplish miracles. You have to power your nanobots somehow, and you have to dump the heat they create by doing work.

If you harvest solar energy you can do a whole lot of work without worrying about any new heat. Harvesting a tiny fraction of the total solar energy available (on Earth) would look an awful lot like a miracle.

He's not talking about climate change; he's talking about heat sinks so your nanobots don't literally vibrate themselves apart before doing anything useful.

Re: Message from Mexico: U.S. Is Polluting Water It May Someday Need to Drink

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For example, in eastern Wyoming, an analysis showed that it would cost half a million dollars to construct a water well into deep, but high-quality aquifer reserves. That, plus an untested assumption that all the deep layers below it could only contain poor-quality water, led regulators to allow a uranium mine to inject more than 200,000 gallons of toxic and radioactive waste every day into the underground reservoirs…

There we have the American disease, measure everything in monetary terms. At what monetary threshold is it ok to pollute underground reservoirs for future generations.

The threshhold where instead of the nuclear power the uranium would have been mined for, they use coal power instead; and pollute aboveground reservoirs for future generations?
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