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Post by justjimmy »

superpatosainz wrote: post #52
cliveowen wrote: post #33

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Sure, taking things to the extremes has been proved to be the best way to start a discussion and the only sure way to show an unbiased view of the facts at hand. I'm impressed by your incredible level-headedness, sir.

Sir, if I preoperly recall, that's exactly how you discard premises. Taking a premise and applying it to a more extreme situation just battletests it. It's done in justice and law courses, etc. "If the common good justifies killing X agent, then it must be ok for a doctor to kill a patient in their sleep, take his organs and save three people with his two kidneys and heart." Also, what Yale did wasn't right, and the…

"Taking a premise and applying it to a more extreme situation just battletests it. It's done in justice and law courses, etc."

I'm really interested in this sentence/concept - is there a term for this or anywhere I can read more about the concept behind this statement?

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Post by jcc80 »

eropple wrote: post #158
jcc80 wrote: post #153

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I'm not familiar with Sean Haufler's "advantages of birth". If you are familiar with him and his family, and feel it would be appropriate to this discussion, then have at it I guess.

He got into Yale and you're wondering what advantages he has? Let's set aside for a second the high-end schools' tendency towards legacy admissions, which clearly isn't going to be biased towards the children of the upper class who are certainly not predominantly white and loaded (that smell is not the dog, folks, it's sarcasm). Have you seen the demographics of Yale[1]? Even just racial demographics put WTFs to this…

"You're wondering what advantages he has?"

No, I wasn't. I don't pretend to know anything about this student. I suppose I could put him into a box and make a bunch of assumptions based on the obvious stats, but that's not how I view people. Every individual has their own life story. So, when I see a woman, a Hispanic person, etc. I don't see a victim or someone who's disadvantaged. You have a different view and that's fine.

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Post by arethuza »

throwaway_yy2Di wrote: post #122
arethuza wrote: post #108

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Nitpick: You're talking about England and Wales, not the UK. In this part of the UK it's not even called "libel".

Thanks, didn't know this!

It's OK - I believe the French used to have saying along the lines of "As touchy as a Scot"... :-)

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Post by cynwoody »

erichurkman wrote: post #126
cynwoody wrote: post #119

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> Installing an app not from the appstore is almost impossible for a non-savvy user. I would post a video demonstrating step-by-step how to install non-approved apps in Chrome. Download the app. Open chrome://extensions. Tick Developer mode. Drag the app from your Download folder to the extensions page. Enjoy those nicely summarized ratings! Actually, here are two existing videos on the subject: https://www.youtube.c…

Just be aware that your instructions may have to change soon; Google is slated to start blocking all local extensions unless users install the Dev or Canary channel builds on Windows [1]. [1] http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/11/07/google-block-local-c...

Sounds like a matter† for the MSFT legal department. I'm rarely in MSFT's corner, but this would an exception.

†http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act

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Post by ghshephard »

Aloha wrote: post #98
ghshephard wrote: post #82

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Could I get a Citation on Canada slaughtering innocent people in both the Middle East and Africa? I wasn't aware they had a deployed army large enough to be involved in "slaughtering" - and I know they declined to support the United States Incursion into Iraq - So I'm wondering where you are going with this...

Canada has been a willing participant in Afghanistan[1] and as complicit as most of the world is in relations with Saudi Arabia.[2] While complicitness is not the same a direct action, it furthers the argument that I wish to make - in international relations, there is no such thing as clean hands. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada's_role_in_the_Afghanista... - [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93Sau…

I know Canada is involved in Afghanistan. Attacks on United States in 2001 were based from Afghanistan. Afghanistan defended the probable leaders of attack. Canada is a member of NATO, and responded in what most would consider a "Just War.", for better or worse.

But, irrespective of all that - Afghanistan is in Asia.

I'm wondering if you could point to any indication of Canadian Forces slaughtering innocent people in the Middle East or Africa in the last 10 years? Curious, more than anything else.

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Post by pgeorgi »

cynwoody wrote: post #184
erichurkman wrote: post #126

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Just be aware that your instructions may have to change soon; Google is slated to start blocking all local extensions unless users install the Dev or Canary channel builds on Windows [1]. [1] http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/11/07/google-block-local-c...

Sounds like a matter† for the MSFT legal department. I'm rarely in MSFT's corner, but this would an exception. † http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act

Only to be told that they have to open up their Windows 8 Store App installation model as well? I don't think so.

The no-freedom-to-install-whatever-you-want movement is deeply entrenched in the IT behemoths.

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Post by pgeorgi »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #151
rgj wrote: post #131

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the EU database directive only protects databases that are the result of a "substantial investment". That means that in practice only databases that are not a side effect of the core activities of the creator are protected. A course database would not qualify for protection under the database directive since the core activity is teaching, and not publishing courses online.

> in practice only databases that are not a side effect of the core activities of the creator are protected // Presumably that assertion is based on caselaw as I see nothing in the Directive itself that says that. A substantial investment - but note that can be qualitative and/or quantative - is in Art7(1)¹ however. If your assertion is true then databases could be simply compiled by an offshoot company in order to m…

I think the only place where you'll find actual case law in Europe is the UK. The other countries don't let judges make law (except in some cases, at their supreme court equivalent).

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Post by tomp »

ganeumann wrote: post #107
ggchappell wrote: post #13

An interesting and apparently well executed effort. But, to be honest, your arguments reek of ignorance. > This is an unfortunate outcome, since Yale’s copyright assertion muddles the argument that Yale’s actions violate Peter and Harry’s freedom of speech. No it doesn't. Whatever Yale's responsibilities in the freedom-of-speech realm may be, they are entirely ethical in nature, as freedom of speech in the legal sens…

Freedom of Speech is not a legal right, it is an ethical right. It predates its US First Amendment codification by several hundred years and is also legally expressed in many other countries. To use your words, may I suggest you do not couch your arguments in terms of fallacious claims about freedom of speech? I don't think commentators who decried Yale's hypocrisy were claiming that Yale violated the first amendment…

> legally expressed in many other countries

citation?

I'm only asking because that's not the case in most of Europe.

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Post by ZoFreX »

throwaway_yy2Di wrote: post #43
blibble wrote: post #34

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if you wish to be pedantic they seem to be working around the university using clever technical hacks, rather than fighting the underlying issue. (note that it's the law in the UK, not some worthless university document)

This is an active and vibrant defense of freedom, not some worthless British law. (Oh I'm sorry, did I just libel Her Majesty's judicial system? How careless of me. I should watch what I write).

> (Oh I'm sorry, did I just libel Her Majesty's judicial system? How careless of me. I should watch what I write).

Look, this is getting old. We had a massive libel reform which, while not as revolutionary as many people wanted, still made significant changes, and you are doing the thousands of people that worked hard to make that happen a giant disservice. Please read up on the status quo before making cheap jabs.

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Post by hobbes300 »

erichurkman wrote: post #126
cynwoody wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Installing an app not from the appstore is almost impossible for a non-savvy user. I would post a video demonstrating step-by-step how to install non-approved apps in Chrome. Download the app. Open chrome://extensions. Tick Developer mode. Drag the app from your Download folder to the extensions page. Enjoy those nicely summarized ratings! Actually, here are two existing videos on the subject: https://www.youtube.c…

Just be aware that your instructions may have to change soon; Google is slated to start blocking all local extensions unless users install the Dev or Canary channel builds on Windows [1]. [1] http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/11/07/google-block-local-c...

That's fine, I suspect the %age of Windows users at Yale is fairly small.
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