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Get Shit Done: The Worst Startup Culture

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Re: Get Shit Done: The Worst Startup Culture

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Post by crucifiction »

AsymetricCom wrote: post #177
7Figures2Commas wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly glossed over my comment. I wrote: "I would make the point that a lot of software jobs are "shitty" in the context of what many expect to find when they decide to become a developer. And that's life." It is easy to develop unrealistic expectations and romanticized notions about a lot of things. That is life. Tech companies aren't forcing employees to perform "mundane" tasks (fix bugs, refactor code, etc.)…

I agree with you but your conceptualization doesn't explain why people should put up with suffering just because they've seen suffering and are used to suffering. That's not logical. There's no reason to go in depth unless you can actually present an argument based on necessity or some kind of platform that would explain it other than "people put up with it".

Suffering? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Re: Get Shit Done: The Worst Startup Culture

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Post by Xyik »

This isn't really a problem with startups but people in general. The average person just isn't very empathetic, and especially so when you you're focused and stressed out working around the clock during a startups early stages of life. Also: if you were a CEO or manager what incentive is there to try and dig deeper into why someone is unhappy with their job? Most of the time, its not fixable, and interviews are there to help filter out individuals who aren't a good fit both on a technical and personal scale. Now, if all of your employees are unhappy thats a different problem.

Re: Get Shit Done: The Worst Startup Culture

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Post by jayhuang »

I couldn't help but feel that this was a blog post that I've been meaning to write for a while.

This, mixed with "beer culture", and measuring productivity based on hours sitting in the office as opposed to features produced/bugs fixed. Complete disregard for security vulnerabilities that may put our users at risk because "we don't have time for that shit", issues of "you are not 100% committed" when you leave on time one day because your mother is terribly sick. Stalking your LinkedIn then making a huge fuss about it when it clearly hasn't been updated in a long time, adding the fact that you have a website to not "100% committed", etc.

Guess it's time to finally go write that blog post.

Re: Get Shit Done: The Worst Startup Culture

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Post by cnlwsu »

nsxwolf wrote: post #155
nostrademons wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you expect a corporate job to give a shit about you? It's not a person (regardless of what the Supreme Court says...), it doesn't have feelings. Your parents love you unconditionally. If you want anyone else to care about you, you have to make it happen through your actions.

I've worked for corporations that treated me well.

Same here. Although its true theres a lot of bad corporations out there, there are plenty of bad startups as well. People don't like to hear about great paying corporate jobs that treat you like human beings though.

Re: Get Shit Done: The Worst Startup Culture

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Post by keithnoizu »

aidenn0 wrote: post #179
AsymetricCom wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you but your conceptualization doesn't explain why people should put up with suffering just because they've seen suffering and are used to suffering. That's not logical. There's no reason to go in depth unless you can actually present an argument based on necessity or some kind of platform that would explain it other than "people put up with it".

How about "because you're being paid 6 figures to do it and you could be getting paid $25k for something a lot more shitty"

Bah, it's a soul sucking reason. I quite my microsoft job to go bum around in SE asia while my SO finishes her TOEFL master degree. My startups annual revenue is only like 60k and I have two developers, an assistant, content guy and a designer on the payroll part time but I'll take my 100k less a year salary out here versus doing boring crap back at Microsoft any day.

Re: Get Shit Done: The Worst Startup Culture

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Post by robertje »

danielweber wrote: post #7
jaegerpicker wrote: post #6

Dear God this was my life at a past employer. The biggest issue is that Get Shit Done usually turns to Get Shit Done exactly how I want even though I won't tell you what it is because I'm "Getting Shit Done!". I know better now. If I see that at an interview now, I'll run, not walk, run away. People bitch about how hard it is to find good developers and yet hire talented developers but put them in shitty positions. T…

"No, you got the wrong shit done! What's wrong with you?!"

Define shit or I will define it myself... that's how it goes.

Re: Get Shit Done: The Worst Startup Culture

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Post by anonymous »

Kind of offtopic, but it really grinds my gears when a site is perfectly functional without javascript, but then it has a noscript element blocking you from reading it. I know how to hide the noscript element. Even if it's not a noscript element, I know how to delete it from the DOM tree. Why would a site writer purposefully block people with js disabled from viewing their site? It's not like you can accidentally disable js in a browser, if it's off, it's off because I went out of my way to turn it off. And I can hide your opaque fullpage div just fine.

Re: Get Shit Done: The Worst Startup Culture

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Post by raverbashing »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #128
nostrademons wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you expect a corporate job to give a shit about you? It's not a person (regardless of what the Supreme Court says...), it doesn't have feelings. Your parents love you unconditionally. If you want anyone else to care about you, you have to make it happen through your actions.

Why would you expect a corporate job to give a shit about you? Why would I expect the company to treat me decently? Why do I expect the company to treat me decently? It's because people do not only have rights, they have duties towards their fellow man, that's why! This is a long-standing idea in German political thought - it's called Sozialpflichtigkeit des Eigentums , and it made its way into both the Weimar and pr…

Here, I'll help you with that

Sozialpflichtigkeit des Eigentums can be roughly translated as "Social duty of property"

"Eigentum verpflichtet" is more or less "Property committed (to a duty)"

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