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Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by rschmitty »

Has anyone come up with a solution? From my POV I see three things happen in what seems to be a never ending cycle:

  10 OMG why did you not know about these terrorists, how could you have missed this?!
  20 OMG now you are profiling _____!  That is unfair just because they are ____
  30 OMG you are invading the privacy of everyone!
  GOTO 10
The goal being: only criminals/terrorists have their privacy invaded and everyone else is left alone. How does can happen?

I have no solution myself, just complaining about the complainers since no matter what anyone does someone complains about it not being right.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by eatitraw »

nkohari wrote: post #172
robomartin wrote: post #72

I hate to use this tone but, so be it. Maybe now you morons who continue to vote in the pieces of shit into our government who are bent on taking more and more power for themselves will wake up and figure it out? How much more proof do you need? Does this make you angry yet or is Obama still your diety? Oh, and Republicans don't get a pass either. The point is that all of you morons voting like robots along party lin…

Name a conservative Libertarian candidate and I'll point out the socially regressive policies that make me not vote for them.

Gary Johnson?

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by k-mcgrady »

Proleps wrote: post #98
digitalengineer wrote: post #82

Dutch person here with a little insight what's to come for you guys. Some information about our tiny little country (in Wester Europe, very pro-US) with just 17 million people. Our government listens in on more calls every year than in the whole of the US combined. All our telecommunications providers are forced to have the capability to intercept all traffic (phone and internet). Encrypted data must be stored for an…

Weird thing is, nobody seems to care. I care, it's one of the reasons I will keep voting for the pirate party.

I think people did care but we see these stories so regularly now, even though I know it's a bad thing, I find it hard to care.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by FrojoS »

downandout wrote: post #177

I'm not sure what's more disturbing: that this is happening, or that the Obama administration can't keep highly classified documents under wraps. That document was labeled Top Secret and was supposed to remain so until April 12, 2038. This whole episode shows evil on the one hand and dangerous ineptitude on the other.

Why? The more scandalous the fact, the higher the chance someone from inside decides to blow the whistle.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by lukevdp »

durzagott wrote: post #179
nkohari wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Name a conservative Libertarian candidate and I'll point out the socially regressive policies that make me not vote for them.

What is a socially regressive policy and why are Libertarian candidates prone to them?

A socially regressive policy is something like making abortions illegal.

Libertarians aren't socially regressive, it's the conservative part that is

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by nasmorn »

ErikGelderblom wrote: post #164
killerpopiller wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, it is, fanfare.., Germany. I read this above report and can't believe it. When that this happen? Our data privacy laws are thorough and sometimes an obstacle, but many projects got stopped because of privacy issues: e.g. the digital stored medical records on ones health insurance card The stop of the data retention directive by our beloved Bundesverfassungsgericht (they are awesome) is another milestone. Core of…

This might sound like a Godwin, but I guess we're slowly building our own Stasi and need to experience it first before we realize what happened. If it's not too late.

Had you written gestapo it would have been a godwin. See germany has extensive multifaceted experience with police states.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by Buzaga »

robomartin wrote: post #72

I hate to use this tone but, so be it. Maybe now you morons who continue to vote in the pieces of shit into our government who are bent on taking more and more power for themselves will wake up and figure it out? How much more proof do you need? Does this make you angry yet or is Obama still your diety? Oh, and Republicans don't get a pass either. The point is that all of you morons voting like robots along party lin…

I wonder what the hell is voting for... this system is corrupted/failed already, politicians put millions and billions in marketing to get elected, sometimes with corruption money even(ruling party in Brazil admitted to it with a "everybody does it, it's normal" argument, also fucking lobbyists up there) and after they're there they don't have to answer to anyone anymore, it doesn't matter that the actions took by the government doesn't match the persona they marketed themselves to get there(As an outsider who rooted for Obama for his apparent reasoning and humanity, I'm severely disappointed with what I see), not to mention that probably in most countries the 'game' is already a two-party only play, with "you wouldn't want that other guy so pick me" as one of the prevalent voting reasonings, with parties getting more and more alike by the day, making the whole voting process look more like lucha-libre than a competition to me

I don't disagree with what you said but I'm seriously in doubt if I really trust "voting", I'm in Brazil and over here seems like it's a lost case(uneducated population, obligatory voting <= marketing + corrupts power circle)

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by epsylon »

silvestrov wrote: post #23
tlrobinson wrote: post #17

I suggest every software developer take a course or two on cryptography and make privacy integral in the products you develop.

Cryptography doesn't help at all when your government will require you by law to provide them with a decrypted dump. That's what they did with Verizon. Verizon could not provide you with privacy no matter how much they wanted.

And, above all, end-to-end cryptography doesn't protect you against traffic analysis, which is what the NSA is doing with this metadata (which allows them to choose targets subject to a full blown surveillance).

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by mercurial »

alan_cx wrote: post #170
adventured wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well you're slightly wrong. See: Judge Andrew Napolitano (former New Jersey Superior Court Judge). He's a host on Fox News and does in fact regularly make an issue of these types of abuses. Take a look at his books: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Napolitano#Writing_caree... Fox News is a 2/3 conservative bastion (and they're for big government, big spending, big military, big debt), but it also has a small mixtu…

Hang on, conservatives for big government? Im sure I remember "big government" being the evil that was being fought off when Obama care was a big deal. Wasn't that conservatives? Hands up. Im confused!!

As far as I can tell, conservatives are pro-anything-with-guns (Homeland Security, big military...), but against welfare and taxes for the rich. Democrats are pro-welfare and taxes for the rich, but just as happy to invade your privacy or bomb the crap out of your family if you are a bearded guy with a turban.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by toolz »

nkohari wrote: post #172
robomartin wrote: post #72

I hate to use this tone but, so be it. Maybe now you morons who continue to vote in the pieces of shit into our government who are bent on taking more and more power for themselves will wake up and figure it out? How much more proof do you need? Does this make you angry yet or is Obama still your diety? Oh, and Republicans don't get a pass either. The point is that all of you morons voting like robots along party lin…

Name a conservative Libertarian candidate and I'll point out the socially regressive policies that make me not vote for them.

is it ironic that I can name the last libertarian presidential candidate, Gary Johnson, and you can't name a socially repressive policy?
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