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Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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Re: Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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I never really understood how certain political factions can go on and on about supposed government control over our lives, all while completely ignoring pervasive crazy alcohol laws. Why can't I order beer over the internet? Why do I have to go to a state-owned store to buy vodka? Why don't these people who complain about "big government" ever bring it up?

Libertarians bring it up all the time. Here's a quick google search of a libertarian web site for "liquor laws" https://www.google.com/search?q=liquor+site%3Areason.com&#38...

Yeah, but libertarians are a pretty small number of people. Most of the "small government" crowd is different, sadly.

Re: Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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> Or the feta cheese I buy from Germany that can't call itself feta and that anyone in day to day conversation will refer to as feta. And that anybody that has eaten actual feta will tell you immediately it's a bad imitation (often with the wrong process and/or ingredients). (Same goes for any "feta" sold in American supermarkets, at least Kroger, Walmart etc that I know of (as in the US the point of origin protectio…

I do think the current situation around feta is better than the previous confusing one, where lots of products which were clearly not feta were allowed to be labeled as "feta". But I personally would prefer that methods/contents be regulated rather than location of production. I do think it's a good thing that what used to be called "Danish feta" is now "salatost" ("salad cheese"), because it is simply not feta. But…

I see what you mean, but I find it also helps protect traditional regions that came up with the thing first, so I'm for it for that reason. Sometimes other places can duplicate the methods/contents, but they still lack the definitive knack than the region that invented the stuff has.

And since the product was also named in the region, it's only fair for them to be able to use it. Now, the French might not get feta but they get Champagne protected, and generally everybody region benefits somehow.

And it's not like patent laws, where you cannot put out a competing product. It's merely like a trademark: you have to name it differently. So, if the french feta is OK, it still has a chance to catch on, just under a different name.

Re: Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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>Banned all forms of animal protein, including chicken litter, in cow feed in 2001. Saw a Dirty Jobs segment some time ago in which a Nevada pig farmer picks up all the waste from several casinos' buffets, hauls it out to his farm, hand-picks the plastic and other inedible crud out of it, liquefies it, steams it to kill off some of the bacteria, then feeds it to his hogs. My first thought was that it was pretty cleve…

Pigs are omnivorous and naturally eat carcasses of other pigs or in the case of packs of wild boar, sometimes even kill other pigs to eat them. Feeding pigs with food containing bits of pig meat (like human food leftovers) is not ideal but it's not a very serious situation. Cows, on the other hand, are herbivores. Their digestive system cannot properly handle animal protein and this can have disastrous consequences.…

BSE has nothing to do with a digestive system that can't handle animal protein. After all, the human digestive system handles animal protein just great, but we can catch BSE by eating contaminated food even so.

Re: Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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Meanwhile in Europe unpasteurized raw milk (good/bad?) is allowed to make cheese and wooden force feed geese to produce foie gras, horse meat and marmite yeah there I said it. I bet European countries have a lot of "traditional" foods grandfathered in even though barely safe. I'm sure the blame game can be used to make the US or European countries look bad.

Although it's great if rules can make us safer and animals lives better but even though there are some good rules and common sense to get rid of antibiotics, heavy metals and nasty pesticides. But this strikes me as noses turned up especially quoting radical animal rights groups such as the essentially ten year old Humane Society of the United States organization (pretty much ex-PETA extreme extremists took it over) .

Re: Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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I wonder how on earth people got through life before we had the government protecting us from misshapen banananas.

Sigh. I feel like you didn’t quite understand the point I was making. I don’t think ridicule is in any way an appropriate response. On a basic level this is not about regulation. It is, of course, in some way, but only a roundabout one. Regulation in EU countries already exists. National regulators have been regulating stuff here forever. EU regulators very often do not wake up in the morning and think "What laws can…

This thread reminds me never to open a business in Europe.

Re: Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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> Or the feta cheese I buy from Germany that can't call itself feta and that anyone in day to day conversation will refer to as feta. And that anybody that has eaten actual feta will tell you immediately it's a bad imitation (often with the wrong process and/or ingredients). (Same goes for any "feta" sold in American supermarkets, at least Kroger, Walmart etc that I know of (as in the US the point of origin protectio…

>bad imitation (often with the wrong process and/or ingredients). But who is to decide? Imagine if the same thing happened to hamburgers or endless other common things. although understandable the reasoning is already flimsy when it's a region but when it's applied to generic names which have been around for a very long time then who is to decide? For example, I come from Melbourne in Australia where we have the worl…

>But who is to decide?

In Europe it's easy: the region that created AND named the stuff is to decide.

>Imagine if the same thing happened to hamburgers or endless other common things.

It already happens, just not in a regional level but a corporate one. You cannot call your burger a "Big Mac" or "Baconator".

Also remember that the names we're talking about are not generic as "hamburger", but specific. Feta is a specific product, whereas the analogous to your hamburger example would be if a region has a monopoly on "cheese".

>Feta means slice, "φέτα", so they can't sell a slice of cheese in the EU, made perfectly in the traditional manner, calling it a slice in their own language as they have always done?

Feta is the word for slice, but is also a specific name for a specific cheese -- not to be confused.

(The fact that they are Greek citizens doesn't play any role, the right for Point of Origin protection went to Greece, not Greeks in general. Else any company worldwide could hire some Greeks or some French, and say it makes Feta or Champagne, etc).

>they've been making that cheese since forever I can't see how you can retrospectively then say people can't call it that.

Well, that "forever" is merely a century or less, since most of them weren't longer than that in Australia. Compare this with over two millennia of Feta tradition in Greece.

In any case, it's an EU law to protect the regions that create specific stuff and the consumers. Without it our supermarkets would be full of crap sold as "X", made for cheap in some foreign country with no quality control, and sold as genuine X. We love our original, and quality/origin protected food a lot to let that happen.

Re: Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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Libertarians bring it up all the time. Here's a quick google search of a libertarian web site for "liquor laws" https://www.google.com/search?q=liquor+site%3Areason.com&#38...

Yeah, but libertarians are a pretty small number of people. Most of the "small government" crowd is different, sadly.

Most of the small government crowd is partially libertarian. They ain't perfect, but you can get their votes on a number of libertarian issues.

They get a bad rap on the internet because the Republicans (whom they normally vote for) need religious conservatives to make a winning coalition, but they still do good. For example, the only obstacle to the internet sales tax is the House Republican caucus.

Re: Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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Surely the same argument applies - mass agri-business can see the coming apocalypse too.

Sorry, you'll need to speak up. I can't hear you over next quarter's share price hitting the floor.

I said "You will have to merge your agri-business with the daily delivery of fresh food to my house, making around 20x the profit on your produce if you capture the end to end market"

Hell, I agree but there has to be some solution - look at Mr Money Mustache. I know what he says is sensible. But I still have an unaffordable mortgage (my kids need a good school!) and buy lattes each day (I like them)

This is just exactly the same thing.

You know what, I like a Nanny state. I need more Nanny.

Re: Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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Pigs are omnivorous and naturally eat carcasses of other pigs or in the case of packs of wild boar, sometimes even kill other pigs to eat them. Feeding pigs with food containing bits of pig meat (like human food leftovers) is not ideal but it's not a very serious situation. Cows, on the other hand, are herbivores. Their digestive system cannot properly handle animal protein and this can have disastrous consequences.…

BSE has nothing to do with a digestive system that can't handle animal protein. After all, the human digestive system handles animal protein just great, but we can catch BSE by eating contaminated food even so.

Pigs are safe from BSE, so feeding pigs pig meat has nothing to do with BSE.

Re: Food Practices Banned in Europe But Allowed in the US

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The most sensible European regulations of those listed in the article kindly submitted here are "What Europe did: Banned all forms of animal protein, including chicken litter, in cow feed in 2001." and "What Europe did: In the EU, all antibiotics used in human medicines are banned on farms—and no antibiotics can be used on farms for 'non-medical purposes,' i.e., growth promotion." I'd like to see the United States fo…

Feeding cows chicken litter isn't a big deal, it's not just chicken poo, but the uneaten or spilled food, the bedding material, and pieces of feathers. Runoff from chicken litter causes a lot of issues for rivers and streams, and it can't always be used for fertilizer. Feeding it to cows to improve their mineral uptake, it has about the same caloric value as hay, and it's higher in protein.
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