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Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by forestingfisher »

jmclnx wrote: post #95

This to me is a big issue. You have politicians, government entities and other public institutions posting to twitter, but to access we need to log in. There needs to be a free, non-ad, non-login environment people can use to access this information posted by public entities. This comment also applies to facebook too, which I think is even worse than twitter.

We used to have that, it was called a blog. I used to subscribe to all my local politicians and journalist blogs back in the late 2000s and would recieve everything I needed in my inbox, but now everyone posts on Twitter. That's where we have ActivityPub.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by pino83 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #130
pino83 wrote: post #128

There is no reason for xcancel to exist. Either you cancel X. Meaning: NOT consuming X content. Or you just visit X.com. Right? Right?

> There is no reason for xcancel to exist A bit like your comment. It's possible that other people you want to read, are using a platform you don't want to use. Have this perhaps never happened to you, even once?

A good idea would be: Make a decision. A trade-off.

Either these people are important enough to you, and you don't disfavor the platform soo much. Then visit that platform.

Or you dislike the platform so much that you even wonder why these people are there. You definitely don't want to be in contact with the platform. If so, then give up these people.

There's no free lunch, right? You also (typically) cannot buy steak, but then somehow not pay the money by showing some fake credit card. That would typically involve crime, right?

Make decisions, guys!!! Make decisions!

Your cat and mouse games are embarrassing...

And that doesn't get better in any way just by downvoting me. ;) ;) ;)

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by rob »

IMO, if you hate Elon so much, you shouldn't be visiting his website.

You look very odd and silly if you still want to engage with it and just use a different UI layer (i.e., "XCancel", "Nitter".)

If they want you to have an account to read the post and you want to read the post, create an account, log in, and move on. If you don't want to do that, nobody is forcing you to view a public website. There's alternatives like "Bluesky" out there that might be good for you.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by 27183 »

conception wrote: post #159
simianparrot wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the users of X consent to XCancel copying their posts to their servers?

Everyone who goes to twitter copies the posts to their computers.

Spot on. This is where a lot of these "terms and conditions" break down logically. Viewing some content on the internet is literally copying it.

So is the distinction that xcancel served the content? But when I run

  mtr xcancel.com
I see a bunch of hops between me and them. Every one of those hops is literally copying and retransmitting all the content. Are they not also serving it?

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by bonsai_spool »

brainwad wrote: post #176
rich_sasha wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what legal gymnastics are needed for "I can scrape anything off the web ignoring copyright and build a product from this, but you can’t even display what’s on my webpage elsewhere”. Perhaps that is it in fact. The act of protecting it from scraping means you object. 99% of the blogged contents etc. Big AI helped themselves to was just… there. Public. Not free from copyright but still not paywalled.

Precedent is pretty clear: competitive uses bad, transformative uses good. Xcancel scrapes and then competes directly with X, whereas LLM labs scrape the internet to make an agentic intelligent bot, a transformative use of the scraped content.

> Precedent is pretty clear:

What cases are you citing when you say this?

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by p-o »

zahlman wrote: post #168
angoragoats wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is. It seems self-evident to me that the speech on Twitter is more free when it isn't behind a login wall. How could it not be? If you'd like to provide an actual counter-argument, I'd be happy to consider it.

> Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. Nobody is being censored by the inability of a third party to act as a parallel distribution channel. Nor does freedom of speech have anything to do with entitlement to an audience. No website infringes upon freedom of speech by…

Nobody is arguing about the legal boundary of Freedom of speech, you're the only one making this argument.

We're talking about the quolloquial "free speech", here.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by immibis2 »

zqwt3k wrote: post #109

Thanks Elon, now we know that scraping is illegal! Very good to clarify that for future proceedings against the AI thieves.

Everything is both legal and illegal until a lawsuit happens. Then it collapses depending a little bit on the facts and mostly on who has the better lawyers.

I suspect Nitter's first round with lawyers pointed out that scraping is legal, but now they have been threatened with something else than scraping - Elon claims something else the way Nitter runs is illegal, such as the use of fake accounts to circumvent an access control device (DMCA 1201).

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by weberer »

angoragoats wrote: post #153
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not what free speech is.

Yes, it is. It seems self-evident to me that the speech on Twitter is more free when it isn't behind a login wall. How could it not be? If you'd like to provide an actual counter-argument, I'd be happy to consider it.

"Freedom of speech" means you are allowed to express your opinion without fear of being censored or persecuted for it.

It is not the same kind of "free" as in "no cost". Twitter is a paid service. To access Twitter, you have to pay for it. Either by purchasing a subscription or viewing ads.

Think of it as having to buy a newspaper before being able to read it. That doesn't stop the paper's editors from being able to criticize the government.

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