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Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by thewebguyd »

dingaling wrote: post #69
pj_mukh wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flip side is: I have an Audioguide app with reams of fancy of AI features. Even a basic non-AI one is we use GPS in the background to auto-trigger when you approach certain checkpoints on your tour, and we don't want you staring or constantly manually fiddling with the phone when you're on a tour in a neighborhood. This is all stuff just not possible with the web app I get it, "I'm just traveling, why do I need t…

Sounds like gratuitous over-use of technology. Please just put placards on your exhibits, then I can take as long ( or as quickly ) as I need to digest the info. People can then use their phone to translate into other languages, if needed.

> gratuitous over-use of technology.

That describes silicon valley tech culture to a tee.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by reaperducer »

brk wrote: post #9

At this point the barrier for me to install an app is pretty high. If you're going to needlessly gate certain functions behind an app that work on a desktop browser (or could work in-browser), then I just won't use those functions. If by extension that degrades the value I get from your site, then I just won't use the site, and I won't be contributing to ADU stats you promote to advertisers. Every single company has…

If you're going to needlessly gate certain functions behind an app that work on a desktop browser (or could work in-browser), then I just won't use those functions.

Amusingly, I know of a very large hospital chain that has it the other way around.

The app version is the most limited. Mobile web has some more options. But if you want everything, that's desktop only.

Except for scheduled ordering from the coffee shops or placing in-patient meal orders. Those require an app. Except with the meal app, you get more menu choices from the web version.

Modern tech is a mess.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by m463 »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #28
brk wrote: post #9

At this point the barrier for me to install an app is pretty high. If you're going to needlessly gate certain functions behind an app that work on a desktop browser (or could work in-browser), then I just won't use those functions. If by extension that degrades the value I get from your site, then I just won't use the site, and I won't be contributing to ADU stats you promote to advertisers. Every single company has…

If your app is just a webpage that forces me to use an app just so you can spy on me I just won't use your product. I've switched brokers over it, I swapped banks, I stopped shopping at certain stores. I'm done. The only say I have is in how I spend my money. Those companies won't get any of mine if I can help it. I am the customer, not the product dammit.

Can't buy a tesla without the app.

Worse, to sell a tesla, you are the person saying "ok, install the app, then I can transfer ownership to you, conveniently!"

and this is getting normalized with other car manufacturers.

(and it ALL goes back to apple... who started the whole app nonsense, and promoted a look-and-feel that gave tesla a terrible tap and swipe iphone/ipad type ui in a moving car)

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by jader201 »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #28
brk wrote: post #9

At this point the barrier for me to install an app is pretty high. If you're going to needlessly gate certain functions behind an app that work on a desktop browser (or could work in-browser), then I just won't use those functions. If by extension that degrades the value I get from your site, then I just won't use the site, and I won't be contributing to ADU stats you promote to advertisers. Every single company has…

If your app is just a webpage that forces me to use an app just so you can spy on me I just won't use your product. I've switched brokers over it, I swapped banks, I stopped shopping at certain stores. I'm done. The only say I have is in how I spend my money. Those companies won't get any of mine if I can help it. I am the customer, not the product dammit.

> I am the customer, not the product dammit.

That’s an illusion that died a long time ago, unfortunately.

Just because you’re using their service on a browser doesn’t stop them from harvesting data from your usage, especially if you’re logging in (and if you’re using their services, chances are that you are).

Using browser over app can help, but it doesn’t eliminate it.

Like it or not, we’re the product, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by reaperducer »

goosejuice wrote: post #23
brk wrote: post #9

At this point the barrier for me to install an app is pretty high. If you're going to needlessly gate certain functions behind an app that work on a desktop browser (or could work in-browser), then I just won't use those functions. If by extension that degrades the value I get from your site, then I just won't use the site, and I won't be contributing to ADU stats you promote to advertisers. Every single company has…

I wish everyone thought like this. Unfortunately the average user demands an app and thinks they have nothing to hide.

the average user demands an app

No, the average middle manager demands an app.

The average user has gotten over the novelty of having seven million apps on their phone.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by revolvingthrow »

App vs website is purely taste. Some people will never install an app but will use your website. Some people love apps and will never use your website. Some people prefer apps to PWA when the app does thing, because what if it changes and enshittifies or just vanishes - an app doesn’t need to be updated. Some people prefer PWAs to apps because why would I bother with the endless updates just fix it on the website, in fact I don’t even want your shitty app at all why in Lord’s name is this an app?!

Sometimes… well sometimes there’s no dev resources available to make an app work in a way you’d expect. Google is just a tiny startup, be reasonable in your expectations.

Point is: if you actually want to reach a large audience — you want both. Also, don’t expect good experience if you use Google’s products.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by avidiax »

dpb001 wrote: post #81
deaton wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theres a gym I work out at, and that I have been going to for nearly a year now, and they have an app you can use to check in, schedule classes, whatever. I don't actually know because I never downloaded the app, I just use my phone number to check in every time I go. I don't want more apps on my phone, not for the gym, not for fast food, maybe my bank and the apps I need to communicate with friends and family, but t…

I’m living in peak appification at my gym. It’s one of those 24x7 places and an app is required to unlock the door. I find it amusing that part of the installation process requires me to deny always-on location sharing - why would I need the app to know my location when I’m not at the door?

> amusing

You should find it insulting that they are likely selling that location data, not even to the highest bidder, but to a data broker that resells that data to anyone that will buy it for any price they'll pay.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by _fat_santa »

armadyl wrote: post #151
_fat_santa wrote: post #105

This is a constant argument i have with by business partner. He's always asking me "when are we making an app for our " and I always reply back: "We already have an app! It's just a PWA" PWA's are freaking awesome for both users and developers. Users don't have to install a massive app and me as a developer can focus on making one platform better rather than 3. And they are pretty freaking powerful in what you can do…

Though you’re limiting your growth potential here by letting your ideology get in the way. Mobile platform users when surveyed almost always overwhelmingly prefer native apps and it’s not even close. I anticipate if you start getting public feature requests a native app will be at the top of the list.

I agree, presentation is a big issue with PWA's since you have to know how to add it vs just searching in the app store. I'm sure were going to get a native app eventually, though customers have not asked for one yet and seem to be pretty happy with the PWA.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by pydry »

brk wrote: post #9

At this point the barrier for me to install an app is pretty high. If you're going to needlessly gate certain functions behind an app that work on a desktop browser (or could work in-browser), then I just won't use those functions. If by extension that degrades the value I get from your site, then I just won't use the site, and I won't be contributing to ADU stats you promote to advertisers. Every single company has…

we need better apps to bypass apps and user hostile websites. more newpipes and noras.
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