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Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by cyberrock »

swed420 wrote: post #58
GeekyBear wrote: post #21

Firefox is also the only browser that vets uBlock's code on every update to make sure the developer hasn't inserted spyware or malware into the extension. They don't do it for every extension, but they do so for a wide selection of popular options. > Recommended extensions differ from other extensions that are regularly reviewed by Firefox staff in that they are curated extensions that meet the highest standards of s…

> Firefox is also the only browser that vets uBlock's code on every update to make sure the developer hasn't inserted spyware or malware into the extension. They could save themselves the trouble if Firefox simply baked in its own ad-blocking, but since Google basically owns them, we all know that will never happen. Ladybird browser is going to be awesome.

After watching them butcher their own side tabs implementation, I don't know if we really want that, unless they're actually hiring the uBO team directly.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by wookmaster »

inigyou wrote: post #130

Too bad Firefox isn't a major browser. And it shouldn't be. It's now full of ads for Mozilla VPN and stuff. We need the engine, but not the browser.

The benefit of open source here is there are forked versions of it you can download.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by Larrikin »

swed420 wrote: post #136
inigyou wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know you can make a browser based on Firefox's core and don't need to make a new one from scratch that'll never get past Cloudflare?

> You know you can make a browser based on Firefox's core If you want to inherit all of Firefox's flaws, I suppose. > and don't need to make a new one from scratch that'll never get past Cloudflare? Considering Cloudflare is a sponsor of Ladybird, something tells me they're going to grant an exception for it.

What flaws exactly?

People on here love to moan about Firefox because Mozilla did one thing at some point in the existence of the company they didn't like. But then just cede the Internet to Google and chromium clones because at some point when they were a crappy junior JS dev, Chrome had some better tooling over Firebug so they just got used to testing in one browser. Maybe they also like to remember how Firefox, a decade ago, couldn't handle 1000 tab sessions.

I hope Firefox keeps up the fight but HN loves to crap all over them for not being perfect.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by shooly »

rwz wrote: post #144
shooly wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox also collects and sells data to no one really knows who. https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/

I mean sure, but there's a bit of a difference between "sells data to no one really knows who" and "sells data to no one really knows who AND PALANTIR" which the original commenter seem to be flagging as a problem.

Well Thiel investing in Brave once at the beginning doesn't necessarily mean that Palantir is getting any data now (even though it's presented as if it was a fact in other comments here). It's probable, but really it's just speculation, just like anyone can speculate about who's getting data from Firefox.

But at least with Brave, the initial funding information was made public, so there's already more information available to users in comparison with Mozilla. Mozilla just said: "there are a number of places where we collect and share some data with our partners" - that could mean literally anyone.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by zaik »

firefax wrote: post #175

You can have my ad blocker when you take it from my cold dead fingers. I will literally move to a shack in the woods rather than go back to late 90s level of bullshit advertising.

> move to a shack in the woods

That's what gemini:// is for.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by a2ff6eeb0 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #118
michaelt wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. To be honest, to me it sounds like you don't want browser extensions then. To me, directly messing with web page data and browser behaviour is the whole point of a browser extension - what else is a browser extension for?

The purpose of browser extensions is to build up an install base then sell out to some corporation that then promptly leverages that user base to exfiltrate data and monetize it. No thanks. They should have to declare to the browser what it is they want done instead.

I think you're confusing the extension and the browser. The browsers are generally in the business of supporting an advertising company.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by ajb »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #43
avaer wrote: post #32

What's funny is that extensions were supposed to be a way to let you do the things the browser didn't want you to do. Guess that was a bit too much freedom for Google to accept, so they had to make a store with a gate, and destroy the APIs so that they're useless. Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that and ram it through the pipeline despite everyone's objections, and the frog got boiled. Now we're bac…

> Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that Hate to be the one to defend Google here, but the reasons weren't that unreasonable. I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. The declarative API idea is pretty good. It's just that uBlock Origin is so insanely useful, important and trusted, it should get full access to the entire browser regardless. Honestly, it should…

... the greatest danger to us is masterless men; lacking a coercive power to tie their hands, they would destroy society. How else but by binding to lord and master can they be held to the laws? So thought men during feudal times.

In fact, it is possible for people to be held to good conduct without being bound into a single hierarchy, and it should be possible for software to be held to good conduct without giving such power to single monopolists. But it's not in Google's interests to build such mechanisms, any more than it was in the interests of the feudal overlords to look for alternatives to their rule.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by cpeterso »

chr15m wrote: post #162
windowliker wrote: post #154

I often forget how browsing the web looks for most people. Can't understand why they put up with it, or do they just think that it's part and parcel of the internet to have every page look like a slot machine from hell?

Yes, in the same way constant software malfunctions and errors are normal and tolerated.

Open your browser’s dev tools while loading a website and there’s usually a continuous stream of HTTP and JS errors and warnings. That websites actually work surprises me sometimes, but that’s the pragmatic beauty of the web.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by jimmydorry »

codedokode wrote: post #49
matheusmoreira wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that Hate to be the one to defend Google here, but the reasons weren't that unreasonable. I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. The declarative API idea is pretty good. It's just that uBlock Origin is so insanely useful, important and trusted, it should get full access to the entire browser regardless. Honestly, it should…

Yes, but if you write your own extension maybe you want to read and modify the data. For example, patch fingerprinting script so that it gets the wrong result. Furthermore, malicious extension can read the data from the DOM, from forms (for example, password or credit card fields), and in some cases, from JS variables. They can insert fake information into the page. So preventing extensions from reading network data…

So you're saying that because Google didn't completely up-end the security model and break almost every extension in the one-go, we should have no-progress towards a more secure extension model?

uBlock Origin via declarative blocks is almost as powerful as the original. While I would trust gorhill with almost unfettered control over my browser, I don't trust EVERY extension owner (no do I trust uBlock Origin in perpetuity).

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by prmoustache »

seabrookmx wrote: post #171
windowliker wrote: post #154

I often forget how browsing the web looks for most people. Can't understand why they put up with it, or do they just think that it's part and parcel of the internet to have every page look like a slot machine from hell?

> every page That's a bit hyperbolic. The areas of the internet I frequent do not have egregious ads (for example, this page). Areas where I really would like good ad-blocking (youtube) are often not covered by these ad blockers. Thankfully Youtube Premium isn't too expensive and solves that issue. Maybe it's better these days but I always found browser extensions (including uBlock) had a pretty big performance hit,…

adblock works well with regular youtube ads (not the one inside the actual content).
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