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Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Obama was promoting The Age of Surveillance Capitalism over seven years ago now. Industry insiders have known all this since 1999. Yet almost every single person I know carries a cellphone and drives a car with telemetry, things that are entirely optional. Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration o…

I don't think they are optional in today's world. There's a lot of places where it would be prohibitive to try to live without a smartphone and what does it even cost to remove telemetry from a car?

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Agree, you’re either a digital hermit or you’re part of the problem / system

The really obnoxious part is that with the possible exception of maps all of the other "services" touted as vital parts of a digitally connected existence are so enshittified at this point that the original value proposition for all of them is absent. So we're left with this zombie rhetoric around being disconnected while "connecting" means you spend hours every day staring at bot content and ads.

I'm not sure that's really true. The two that come immediately to mind are Facebook or Discord for organizing with friends and language translation while traveling.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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> I don't think people want this There was a comment made here a month or two ago, about someone from a SE Asia country (I forget which; maybe Bangladesh?) talking about how their government installed AI traffic enforcement cameras all over, and they went from one of the deadliest, most chaotic road systems in the world to Singapore-level rule-following in the space of just a couple months. As a result, the cameras h…

Please don't call license plate scanners AI

Why not? If they use a machine learning approach. AI is more than LLMs.

It's a trained model, just like Claude.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Obama was promoting The Age of Surveillance Capitalism over seven years ago now. Industry insiders have known all this since 1999. Yet almost every single person I know carries a cellphone and drives a car with telemetry, things that are entirely optional. Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration o…

> For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration of the surveillance apparatus. My sad realization is that the Buddhists were right all along. The primary drivers of human mind, before self-purification, are greed, anger, and ignorance. What you are describing here is greed. People want to get useful things for free. This is the core of the problem. If people…

> If people were, by default, expecting to pay for everything they use, spying on them would not be accepted.

The spying may have started with free products, but it has metastasized into every aspect of life, free or not. It always does.

> choose to be willfully blind to the spying

Many don't. They also, by and large, don't have a choice. Data brokers, Flock cameras, WiFi-based radar[1]. You really can only do so much as an individual before the only escape is being a hermit in a cave.

> The primary drivers of human mind, before self-purification, are greed, anger, and ignorance

Which then gets distilled into the only drivers of corporations. Corporations that then destroy all moral options for individuals.

[1]https://theweek.com/tech/wifi-signals-now-tracking-users-at-...

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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There's gotta be a record of you someplace You gotta be on somebody's books The lowdown a picture of your face Your injured looks The sacred and profane The pleasure and the pain Somewhere your fingerprints remain concrete

Song lyrics for those curious: https://genius.com/Dire-straits-on-every-street-lyrics

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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The original research project this company looks based on was very cool and way early: https://sandlab.cs.uchicago.edu/jammer/

Thanks, very interesting. Basically the authors blast high-power (~92 dBA) ultrasound around 25kHz and hope that microphone non-linearities will overwhelm the audible signal. This will sure make all the dogs in 20m radius mad. Hence the solution for the stealth recorder -- bring a dog, then complain about the ultrasound jammer (or at least to be aware of a jammer) From the paper, it looks like the authors did not con…

As someone frequently annoyed by those stupid bird/deer/insect ultrasound emitters I hope this doesn't become common, with my luck I'll be able to hear them.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Gift link: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2026/05/ai-wearable-s... @dang, please consider updating.

We've added that URL to the thread header.

We don't make a gift link the primary URL because we always want that to be the canonical URL for the article. But it's good to have a variety of options for paywall workarounds.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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> their government installed AI traffic enforcement cameras all over What does the AI actually do? Identify specific cars and their drivers, or something? What actual enforcement actions were taken as a result, and against how many drivers before it stopped? One might wonder how much of the effect was placebo (i.e., people conforming simply due to the belief of being surveilled).

> What does the AI actually do? Identify specific cars and their drivers, or something? Yes, exactly. It identifies cars and drivers who are committing traffic violations, and issues citations. I don't have the specific numbers you ask for, seeing as I can't even remember the country, but it's not difficult to imagine that if sufficiently many such cameras are installed that most moving violations on major roadways a…

There was an article on the front page today titled something like "incentives are for schmucks", which I didn't like very much.

In this case, incentives are for people who'd like to reduce traffic deaths.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Obama was promoting The Age of Surveillance Capitalism over seven years ago now. Industry insiders have known all this since 1999. Yet almost every single person I know carries a cellphone and drives a car with telemetry, things that are entirely optional. Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration o…

> For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration of the surveillance apparatus. My sad realization is that the Buddhists were right all along. The primary drivers of human mind, before self-purification, are greed, anger, and ignorance. What you are describing here is greed. People want to get useful things for free. This is the core of the problem. If people…

Funnily enough I've found for the most part the counter to all this spying also tends to be free products. Signal, pi-hole, ublock origin, graphene OS, Opnsense, Linux, etc. I have yet to find paid-for apps that are superior to the free ones in this regard. If I want an image editor I'm using Gimp, not Photoshop. Libreoffice is better than Microsoft Office if you don't want to be spied on. Most of the cost is learning about the alternatives and how to use them.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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we desperately need a separation of corporations and state the same way we have a separation of church and state . we need a government that is antagonistic towards corporations that are abusing us. it’s wild how much influence they have and how little pushback the government ever gives them when they clearly abuse us from every direction.

We need PII to be so toxic that companies run screaming from the liability unless they have explicit consent[1] and a legit reason to house it. A company selling me widgets wouldn't store or let another company store extra information about me if it subjected them the widget seller to HIPAA. Or better yet, something more stringent. We don't need the government to be antagonistic toward corporations; we just need a go…

Explicit consent will be everywhere, like you won't be admitted to a grocery store without it. Take any modern TV -- there's a privacy policy you have to accept the first time you turn it on. Or California Prop 65 notice on every product.

So no, requiring explicit consent won't fix anything.

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