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Pi's Minimalism Is Its Advantage

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Re: Pi's Minimalism Is Its Advantage

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Post by tosh »

tosh wrote: post #179
imtringued wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I'm done with trying to tear this apart. I mean, you can't be serious, right? Think about the unintentional commentary you're making here. You're saying it can be understood in an afternoon but it is intentionally obfuscated. It might as well be proprietary code, but if it is proprietary code, you're actually making fun of all the coding agents for being a walking security nightmare, because in the end all th…

your favorite agent will help you de-golf and analyze the implementation I'm confident you can understand what it does (and does not do) and why in an afternoon (probably in 20-30 minutes actually, even if you are not familiar with Go) the same is way more difficult with larger agent implementations even if you only want to understand the direct implementation ignoring all the 3rd party dependencies that come with th…

but I think what I want to say is: diy

no need to start from smol (even though I think it makes a decent starting point)

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Post by rullopat »

paldepind2 wrote: post #130

Lots of praise for Pi in this thread, so I'll offer up a diverging opinion. Given all the hype, I was a bit underwhelmed by Pi. It definitely has some good ideas around customization, but it annoyed me in many little ways. For a program that's minimal it sure takes a long time to start up, the standard C-p and C-n bindings don't work, it doesn't follow the XDG Base Directory Specification and just pollutes my $HOME d…

I don't get the XDG appeal of having all the data of an app scattered all over the home dir when I can just have a .dir of an app with everything inside.

Re: Pi's Minimalism Is Its Advantage

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Post by strobe »

grewil2 wrote: post #96

Are all of you pi users paying Anthropic and OpenAI for API usage? Or can you combine pi with a subscription? So far API usage is a lot more expensive than subscription and if you need better models than Deepseek and Kimi, and you are not wealthy, I don’t see a way around this.

openai works well with subscription, as many non major providers subscriptions

Re: Pi's Minimalism Is Its Advantage

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Post by strobe »

prettyblocks wrote: post #41
langs wrote: post #38

Pi’s minimalism reveals a simple truth: the LLM is the core of any agent harness. Consequently, much of current harness tuning will become redundant(or even a hindrance) with next-gen models.

I always thought that the frontier coding models were specifically trained to perform well in the harness from their providers. I imagine this will always be the case to some extent.

even if they are is no guarantee that for 'your' specific tasks is beneficial in any means

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Post by btschaegg »

hn8726 wrote: post #180
paldepind2 wrote: post #130

Lots of praise for Pi in this thread, so I'll offer up a diverging opinion. Given all the hype, I was a bit underwhelmed by Pi. It definitely has some good ideas around customization, but it annoyed me in many little ways. For a program that's minimal it sure takes a long time to start up, the standard C-p and C-n bindings don't work, it doesn't follow the XDG Base Directory Specification and just pollutes my $HOME d…

I'll take any scripting language over Lua any day. Every time I had to extend a tool that used Lua as a scripting language, I abandoned that tool because Lua was such a pain. I genuinely don't understand the praise it gets

I'd agree with you based on the language itself; Lua has some annoying idiosyncrasies like e.g. (my main pet peeve) 1-based indexing.

But I suspect the positive opinion on Lua stem more from the standardized environment the language is built around (i.e. how it is embedded into applications): If you don't explicitly pass capabilities like file handling etc. into the script, it CANNOT use them. Sooo many scripting languages get this wrong, it's actually embarassing.

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Post by rbanffy »

We are having a problem with namespace collisions. I really thought this was related to the Raspberry Pi (which is a very minimalist computer). Earlier today, I saw something about a Rio terminal and thought about Plan9.

Re: Pi's Minimalism Is Its Advantage

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Post by [deleted] »

OleksandrC wrote: post #152
paldepind2 wrote: post #130

Lots of praise for Pi in this thread, so I'll offer up a diverging opinion. Given all the hype, I was a bit underwhelmed by Pi. It definitely has some good ideas around customization, but it annoyed me in many little ways. For a program that's minimal it sure takes a long time to start up, the standard C-p and C-n bindings don't work, it doesn't follow the XDG Base Directory Specification and just pollutes my $HOME d…

I am working on an agent implementation that you might like: https://github.com/OleksandrChekhovskyi/hax Written in C, tiny footprint, minimalist approach to system prompt and tools (yet essential batteries are included, for example - it has subagents with presets, and background bash tasks out of the box), high quality polished presentation, inspectable (usable transcript view), does not mess with terminal scrollbac…

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Re: Pi's Minimalism Is Its Advantage

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Post by easymuffin »

pmilanez wrote: post #153

Is there any good benchmarks for coding harness? In terms of tokens consumption, Pi is awesome..local model etc. But regarding coding quality, task completion, over engineering, all related to the final result that the LLM is delivering trough the harness, is there any benchmark that shows the ups and downs of each one? I'm struggling rotating harness because of a lack os a way to truly compared what is good or not.

One recent example but also quite specific to Kimi K3 can be found here https://xcancel.com/composio/status/2083161873357111297

Re: Pi's Minimalism Is Its Advantage

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Post by tosh »

m4ns0ur wrote: post #163
paldepind2 wrote: post #130

Lots of praise for Pi in this thread, so I'll offer up a diverging opinion. Given all the hype, I was a bit underwhelmed by Pi. It definitely has some good ideas around customization, but it annoyed me in many little ways. For a program that's minimal it sure takes a long time to start up, the standard C-p and C-n bindings don't work, it doesn't follow the XDG Base Directory Specification and just pollutes my $HOME d…

I love Pi and right now I'm developing a project like Pi, focused only on local inferences. https://github.com/m4ns0ur/iris

nice, very minimal!
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