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Big Food vs. the People

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Re: Big Food vs. the People

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Post by bazoom42 »

arthurjj wrote: post #13

I'm about as hippie with my food as you can get, but this "article" is badly written propaganda that conceals more than it reveals. Half way down the article you learn that ~80% (193 out of 239) of the lawsuits are in Mexico and > many of them were against the country’s labelling regulation. Quinto Elemento Lab reveals the companies’ arguments: that the laws were a violation of their constitutional rights But the art…

Doesn’t sound very hippie to assume by default, without knowing anything about the issue, that the big corporations are in the right.

Re: Big Food vs. the People

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Post by perpetuallunch »

fragmede wrote: post #136
perpetuallunch wrote: post #90

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Maybe they could incascerate the plant and equipment. This week half the photocopiers are in foster care (prison). Next week, half the backup generators.

It's funny but a corporate death penalty, where executives had a lifetime ban of ever being an executive in a company ever again would go a long way.

That sounds entirely reasonable.

Re: Big Food vs. the People

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Post by pphysch »

fragmede wrote: post #137
pphysch wrote: post #18

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Exactly. If you ask anyone on the street, "is it easier for a fast food worker or a business-owning millionaire to make their next million dollars?", common sense will prevail. Money begets money (and power). It doesn't require an economics degree to understand this positive feedback loop.

Wouldn't that be more of a negative feedback loop? My signals and systems class was a long time ago, but a system that throttles to extremes is negative, not positive feedback.

Nope, negative feedback is dampening and stabilizing. Antitrust enforcement represents a healthy negative feedback for the natural runaway concentration of wealth and power.

Re: Big Food vs. the People

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Post by mcmcmc »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #175
Pay08 wrote: post #158

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The article doesn't back up your comment.

I'm not sure how you can read the article and think it isn't arguing MSF/DWB is political. A few quotes: Hamas operatives in Gaza hospitals, failure to screen out terrorists, and politicized leadership erode the Nobel Prize-winning aid group’s claim to neutrality While continuing to invoke the language of medical neutrality, its rhetoric has become overtly politicized, most notably in its discourse on Israel. From me…

You can’t bomb hospitals. Period. DWB aren’t hospital admins or responsible for deciding who deserves treatment and who deserves to die. Netanyahu is a war criminal who will go down in history as a monster and a tyrant.

Re: Big Food vs. the People

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Post by Pay08 »

mcmcmc wrote: post #184
AlotOfReading wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how you can read the article and think it isn't arguing MSF/DWB is political. A few quotes: Hamas operatives in Gaza hospitals, failure to screen out terrorists, and politicized leadership erode the Nobel Prize-winning aid group’s claim to neutrality While continuing to invoke the language of medical neutrality, its rhetoric has become overtly politicized, most notably in its discourse on Israel. From me…

You can’t bomb hospitals. Period. DWB aren’t hospital admins or responsible for deciding who deserves treatment and who deserves to die. Netanyahu is a war criminal who will go down in history as a monster and a tyrant.

You explicitly can. Like come on, the law specifically says as much.

Re: Big Food vs. the People

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Post by Pay08 »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #175
Pay08 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article doesn't back up your comment.

I'm not sure how you can read the article and think it isn't arguing MSF/DWB is political. A few quotes: Hamas operatives in Gaza hospitals, failure to screen out terrorists, and politicized leadership erode the Nobel Prize-winning aid group’s claim to neutrality While continuing to invoke the language of medical neutrality, its rhetoric has become overtly politicized, most notably in its discourse on Israel. From me…

Yes, they're saying that some members of MSF aren't neutral, which risks the perception of the whole organisation. That's a mile away from saying the organisation is political.

Re: Big Food vs. the People

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Post by tom2026hn »

matchbok3 wrote: post #144
throwway120385 wrote: post #124

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> Can you blame them? Would you sue if the government suddenly decided your industry has to pay extra taxes, or they tried to restrict your advertising? No. I'd probably try to understand the purpose of the tax and what it was being used to fund, but a lawsuit wouldn't be my first stop. There are plenty of industries that get new taxes all the time and don't cry about it. Frankly the behavior on display here is right…

Comparing soda to cigarettes is ridiculous. People like soda, and in moderation, it is completely fine. There is no reason to single out sugary sodas to try to "solve" obesity. It is a consumer problem, not a product problem.

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Re: Big Food vs. the People

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Post by tom2026hn »

matchbok3 wrote: post #167
DangitBobby wrote: post #162

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We all know individual consumer action could technically make the difference between an obesity epidemic and a healthy country. We all also know that individual consumers will literally never take that action, be it health or any of the other myriad ways that corporations are fucking us over. It's time to stop suggesting it. The point of governments and other central organizations is to coordinate, because large grou…

Sorry, I don't need collective action to tell me what soda to buy, or what beverage to consume. What a silly notion. I take action myself to moderate my soda intake all the time. Your assertion that this is not possible is simply absurd. The aspect you are missing, as always in these discussions about government regulation, is the role of parenting and family in the job of nurturing healthy lifestyles. And no, corpor…

“I take action myself to moderate my soda intake all the time.” Strong personal self-control doesn’t mean public policy isn’t necessary--if most people could exercise self-control, obesity rates wouldn’t be a public health crisis.

“The aspect you’re missing...is the role of parenting and family in fostering healthy lifestyles.” Parents can’t compete with the billions of dollars corporations spend each year on advertising aimed at children.

“Corporations aren’t ‘fucking’ anyone over. They’re making something people want.” Why would they spend massive amounts on advertising to “persuade”--or even mislead--consumers if they were merely meeting existing demand?

“The problem lies elsewhere.” Regardless of where the problem lies, corporations have a responsibility not to exacerbate it through harmful marketing.

Re: Big Food vs. the People

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Post by mcmcmc »

Pay08 wrote: post #185
mcmcmc wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t bomb hospitals. Period. DWB aren’t hospital admins or responsible for deciding who deserves treatment and who deserves to die. Netanyahu is a war criminal who will go down in history as a monster and a tyrant.

You explicitly can. Like come on, the law specifically says as much.

Literally no: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule28

The laws of war (outside jus ad bello) aren’t that complicated. Don’t shoot the medic is one every combatant benefits from.

Re: Big Food vs. the People

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Post by Pay08 »

mcmcmc wrote: post #189
Pay08 wrote: post #185

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You explicitly can. Like come on, the law specifically says as much.

Literally no: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule28 The laws of war (outside jus ad bello) aren’t that complicated. Don’t shoot the medic is one every combatant benefits from.

1. Medics aren't hospitals. Nor are they any other building for that matter.

2. There's literally an exception right there in the singular sentence you linked to.

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