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Re: SpaceX Starship Flight 13 livestream [video]

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Post by chasd00 »

testing22321 wrote: post #153
chasd00 wrote: post #106

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from what i understand it kind of is a failure. It's suppose to tip over, explode, and sink. That way you don't have all this ITAR regulated tech floating around in international waters.

They actually said they’ve been trying different techniques to not have it explode like rolling. This way they got way more heat shield data, which is, I think, their most critical item they need to learn from and iterate.

> They actually said they’ve been trying different techniques to not have it explode like rolling.

interesting, i had no idea. I was going off the info i remembered about when those unexploded parts floated into Mexican waters. It's exciting to see Startship v3 have a perfect test flight. Hopefully the next launch will be fully orbital and they can start making productive use of the capability.

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Post by MagnumOpus »

mlindner wrote: post #171
pstuart wrote: post #122

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Agreed. Separating those thoughts are valuable here and in life in general. But like a lot of tech, the cool shit can have serious negative effects as well and it's important to be able to, again, acknowledge both appropriately. The success of SpaceX has made him the richest man on the planet, and his money makes him dangerous.

He's only dangerous if you operate a legal system that allows people to be dangerous. Elon Musk has never been the problem. As long as he's not breaking the law it's all good.

The last 18 months have proven that the rule of law doesn’t apply to those who are rich enough to ~bribe~ lobby anyone who would enforce the laws.

(A donation to the presidential library, a new RV for the judge, a PAC that runs campaigns for the senator and rep - and Bob’s your uncle. Might cost 0.001% of your assets if you are a trillionaire. Cheap at ten times the price.)

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Post by parineum »

ceejayoz wrote: post #177
parineum wrote: post #141

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What about trying really, really hard to believe that a guy with a Nazi tattoo on his chest didn't know it was a Nazi tattoo?

You know we forced that guy to withdraw his candidacy, right?

After it came out that he might have raped someone.

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Post by eudamoniac »

atq2119 wrote: post #65
WalterBright wrote: post #39

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This whole comment chain is so baffling to me. HN is relatively intelligent, but we have people here seriously believing Musk did a Nazi salute on stage and that he's an actual Nazi. I don't know what to make of it.

I have to imagine it's motivated reasoning, because of the people who say it was a Nazi salute, approximately 100% of them already hated the guy. I've seen no one suddenly swayed. Fwiw I have no strong feelings about Musk either way, but to my eyes he is obviously not a Nazi.

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Post by WalterBright »

estearum wrote: post #164
WalterBright wrote: post #162

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> 'pedo boy' is impossibly uncommon All it has to be is common in S Africa where he grew up. As I mentioned before, different cultures have widely varying common forms of insults. > furthermore he went on to publicly accuse the person of actual pedophilia. That was after being sued for $195 million. I've also remarked that I am not defending libel. A common insult is not libelous. P.S. People successfully sue rich pe…

So your argument is that: 1. Musk calling him "pedo boy" isn't Musk actually calling him a pedophile, and there's nothing wrong with a grown man using insults (against an aid worker risking his own life to save children) that 14-year olds in the 80s in South Africa allegedly used on playgrounds 2. Musk telling Buzzfeed that the same exact guy is actually a pedophile (specifically a child rapist) who took a 12 year ol…

Let's review:

1. Musk offers money and engineering help

2. diver insults Musk on national TV

3. Musk insults diver on twitter

4. diver sues Musk for $195 million

5. Musk retaliates by investigating him

Neither of them are saints, and neither are "reprehensible" people. The jury in the lawsuit called it right by deliberating for one hour and then dismissing the lawsuit.

And insulting someone and engaging in libel is not the same thing, and is not a "retreat".

P.S. It's fine to write your own interpretation of my remarks, but it is not fine to put them in quotes suggesting I wrote them.

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Post by ceejayoz »

parineum wrote: post #183
ceejayoz wrote: post #177

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You know we forced that guy to withdraw his candidacy, right?

After it came out that he might have raped someone.

There were a lot of people on the left noting that a totenkopf was a big red flag warning of others lurking. The centrist consultants tried to push past it, as they often do, and that's one of the big issues I have with the Dem establishment.

Meanwhile, the Republicans elected and continue to rabidly support a court adjudicated actual rapist (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-car...) to the Presidency, who appointed someone with similarly questionable tattoos to be the SecDef (https://www.npr.org/2024/11/14/nx-s1-5191413/peter-hegseths-...). I think I'm comfortable with the contrast.

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Post by wat10000 »

WalterBright wrote: post #148
WalterBright wrote: post #84

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In "V2" page 179 Dornberger writes: "Do you know that your closest colleagues (including von Braun) have stated in company at Zinnowitz that it had never been their intention to make a weapon of war out of he rocket? That they had worked, under pressure from yourself (Dornberger) at the whole business of development and only in order to obtain money for their experiments and the confirmation of their theories? That t…

Another interesting factoid about the V2 program is it accelerated the collapse of the Reich. How can that be, you might ask? The V2 program was an incredibly expensive program, and sucked up enormous resources. But the V2 proved to be an inconsequential weapon, and did very little damage, because its guidance system was primitive. The V1, ironically, was effective. Not because it wreaked critical damage on Britain,…

The V2 cost more to develop than the atomic bomb! And Germany was far less able to absorb the cost than the US.

Re: SpaceX Starship Flight 13 livestream [video]

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Post by pstuart »

mlindner wrote: post #171
pstuart wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Separating those thoughts are valuable here and in life in general. But like a lot of tech, the cool shit can have serious negative effects as well and it's important to be able to, again, acknowledge both appropriately. The success of SpaceX has made him the richest man on the planet, and his money makes him dangerous.

He's only dangerous if you operate a legal system that allows people to be dangerous. Elon Musk has never been the problem. As long as he's not breaking the law it's all good.

> As long as he's not breaking the law it's all good.

What makes you think he hasn't? Does he demonstrate that he believes that nobody is above the law? I think you know the answer to that.

Re: SpaceX Starship Flight 13 livestream [video]

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #180
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #170

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So, there is little question about the type of gestures that Musk made, but I'm deeply curious about where it was directed. Because we who read history all know that the "Nazi salute" or even the very American "Bellamy salute", and the Roman salutes before them, were directed to the leader, or a flag. And the Nazis in conjunction with saying "hail" to their leader. So far, so good? But Musk was standing at a podium a…

If you image search "hitler salute" you get 30 examples of Hitler saluting crowds. This argument is complete trash.

My father is 90 years old, so I asked him if he or his classmates said the Pledge of Allegiance, and he said of course they did.

I asked whether he had seen any of them making the Bellamy Salute, but he said no. I suppose he was too young to see it. Hail Caesar.

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