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Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by egr »

natsucks wrote: post #151
AaronAPU wrote: post #38

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I’ve long considered marketing to be one of the purest forms of evil in existence. It truly does envelop and destroy everything good.

I wish every product everywhere was evaluated based on merit, efficacy, etc alone...but...i bet most of us lean towards products in a grocery store with more appealing labels. The unfortunate reality is that customer psychology matters and your great product can die because of it.

I wish the performance , achievements , honour , praise , and disdain we hold for people would be evaluated based on this instead of PR and Puff pieces.

Sure there will always be subjective differences , but a lot of negative impacts on this planet can be attributed to the distortion of actual merit and the distorted proportion of what should be correctly attributed to one individual .

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by [deleted] »

heresalexandria wrote: post #150
gmm1990 wrote: post #130

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I find that thinking/agent mode sometimes makes it worse/comes up with the same thing and just takes a long time. But I’m sure it’ll be different with fable for a few months until that hype blows over

Something a lot of folks struggling with these systems don't get is that the instruction and management of them is often quite important - just because they're capable doesn't mean they're mind readers. Most of the skepticism I encounter on this front is due to lack of proper direction, process involving planning and review before execution, and appropriate attention given to evaluation and feedback loops. If you ask…

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Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by natsucks »

fercircularbuf wrote: post #12

My broader team organized a 2 day hackathon and created teams of 4 each with a mix of engineers, designers, data scientists, admin, localization, and project managers from across the team and gave us 5 pain points our product was experiencing and let us loose. The amount of leverage AI tools give small interdisciplinary teams to apply their existing skill sets is kind of crazy. Lots of very impressive demos, several…

Do you think it was the AI itself that gave you the boost here or the discussion and brainstorming?

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by Djrichsjdjdnxkd »

a4isms wrote: post #69
ghusto wrote: post #59

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There's an old Bill Hicks bit where during his already awkward standup, he takes a moment to somehow dial the awkwardness up further: If you're of a certain age, you'll know the bit: https://genius.com/Bill-hicks-on-advertisers-and-marketing-a... It's awkward because you can feel how much he means every word. Of course it's part of the act and you're supposed to find it funny, but at the same time, he very much means…

Video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9h9wStdPkQY

Funny, the video is on a service of the biggest advertiser in the world.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by heresalexandria »

clydethefrog wrote: post #178
heresalexandria wrote: post #173

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That's exactly what the people in my orbit and whom I'm watching are doing, and some of their outputs are fueling the excitement. If you aren't seeing remarkable things being done with this tech, I'd argue you aren't looking hard enough. I understand there's a lot of noise obscuring the signal, but that's always the case with a "big thing."

Can you share concrete examples of the outputs that are fueling your excitement?

This was pretty cool, knocking out a problem that the best minds in maths couldn't for 80 years: https://openai.com/index/model-disproves-discrete-geometry-c...

Also this is a remarkable (and realistic) evaluation of where these systems are for general work which speaks to both the room to grow as well as the pace: https://www.remotelabor.ai/

For some practical examples of what the leading consumer grade AI can do, Ethan Mollick consistently has great writeups with demos: https://www.oneusefulthing.org/p/what-it-feels-like-to-work-...

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Post by conradfr »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #60
algoth1 wrote: post #14

As someone who has worked closely to the marketing space, there’s a saying that goes something like: ‘then the marketers found about it and ruin everything’. Quick example: when amazon launched kindle self publishing, there was a golden age where wannabe writers could self-publish their books, and let the market dictate what survived and became successful. Eventually, some people got good money out of it. Then market…

The same thing is happening in YouTube right now. My feed is filled with AI generated never ending rambling videos about simple topics that can be explained in 1 or 2 mins, but it keeps on dragging up to 10-30 mins to milk the maximum from monetisation

The good thing is that it's steadily ruining shorts.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

heresalexandria wrote: post #137
tines wrote: post #118

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> no brainer An excellent epithet for people who depend on AI!

The same attitude has been directed at points through history for people "who depend on the internet," "who depend on computers," and "who depend on machines." I was told growing up "you won't always have a calculator in your pocket" and yet now my phone has an offline LLM on it.

> "I was told growing up "you won't always have a calculator in your pocket" and yet now my phone has an offline LLM on it."

While I think the person you are responding to has made a low quality comment, I will say that it is very, very revealing that so many AI advocates actually seem proud of their absence of basic math skills.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by gmm1990 »

heresalexandria wrote: post #150
gmm1990 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find that thinking/agent mode sometimes makes it worse/comes up with the same thing and just takes a long time. But I’m sure it’ll be different with fable for a few months until that hype blows over

Something a lot of folks struggling with these systems don't get is that the instruction and management of them is often quite important - just because they're capable doesn't mean they're mind readers. Most of the skepticism I encounter on this front is due to lack of proper direction, process involving planning and review before execution, and appropriate attention given to evaluation and feedback loops. If you ask…

This seems to be a very generic/common response to any ai critique. It kind of reinforces my point there’s a lot of situations where the appropriate harness isn’t some agent that’s set to ultra high thinking mode. Chat mode gives the better response and answers the question more quickly

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by 0gs »

CPLX wrote: post #77
AaronAPU wrote: post #38

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I’ve long considered marketing to be one of the purest forms of evil in existence. It truly does envelop and destroy everything good.

Marketing is just an attempt at persuasion. It's the most fundamental form of communication. It's intrinsic to being human and interacting with other humans, and drives the reproduction function for basically all living things. You have, in fact, just engaged in it in your comment by offering an opinion in hopes that others will read and adopt that opinion. In fact, you posted your comment on the marketing website of…

it's true. persuasion is the immoral core of marketing. personally i believe everyone should hate persuasion too but nobody will listen to me when i try to compel them!

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by Avicebron »

chiefgeek wrote: post #94
ModernMech wrote: post #75

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It’s the old lifecycle of a scene. 1) cool people do cool things, start a scene 2) chill people who enjoy watching cool people do cool things spread the word 3) posers get wind and show up, the scene loses its vibe but reaches critical mass 4) advertisers show up looking to monetize the scene, driving out the cool and chill people who are allergic to advertisers. 5) the scene is now dead, filled with posers and ad ex…

Burning Man?

sort of, the same people that ruined tech also ruined burning man.
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