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The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs

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Re: The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs

#181
> Now is probably a good time to liquidate your pension, fly to a remote island somewhere, and live out the remaining 6 months or so of civilization in peace.

> So maybe the open source apocalypse won’t happen yet.

Sorry I wasn't at the last doomer meeting, when did we decide good open source models are a harbinger for the apocalypse?

Re: The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs

#182
post #176

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> That only affects people in California First they came for the Californians And I did not speak out Because I was not a Californian

Then they came for me But it was unsuccessful Because I was not in California

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Re: The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs

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post #176

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> That only affects people in California First they came for the Californians And I did not speak out Because I was not a Californian

Then they came for me But it was unsuccessful Because I was not in California

That’s not how any of it (human nature) works

Re: The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs

#184
What matters might not be gap itself. For the bulk of AI users, it's the sufficiency of the capabilities of a model, is all that matters. If an open-weight model meets their requirements and far cheaper than closed weights model, then they have no reason not to go for the open-weight model.

Re: The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs

#186

> Now is probably a good time to liquidate your pension, fly to a remote island somewhere, and live out the remaining 6 months or so of civilization in peace. > So maybe the open source apocalypse won’t happen yet. Sorry I wasn't at the last doomer meeting, when did we decide good open source models are a harbinger for the apocalypse?

If anything open-source models are a hedge against the apocalypse. Or at least against the cyberpunk dystopia.

Re: The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs

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Fun fact: Hacker News is canonically banned in China, but I'm still talking here. There are plenty of techs to work around region block. The incentive to report somebody is comically called '50w' (500k CNY) and no one gives a shit about it in real life.

What’s the penalty if you get caught?

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Re: The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs

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Yeah, but the biggest plus for open models is that they can never be taken away. In other words, whatever capabilities they reach (even if there will never be another model), those stay forever. That can't be said for API-based models where a provider can sunset models whenever they feel like (i.e. gpt5-mini will soon be gone, and replaced by a more expensive 5.4-mini, same for goog, etc). And there will always be in…

> they can never be taken away Your right to 3d print whatever you want is about to be taken away (in California). What software you can run on your computer can already be restricted. Absolutely everything can be taken away. The simplest way to remove open models is probably to declare them a tool that terrorists could use. Crazy? Yes, the world is totally crazy these days.

There’s going to be more and more propaganda about open models being a tool to program your children into being Chinese spies or some other absurd reason, and then a new beautiful law will be enacted unanimously, banning their use. And “thankfully," child-protecting measures will by then be implemented at the OS level.

Re: The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs

#189
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Believe me, if the government wants to stop you from having access to something like that, they could do it. Just give people some incentive to report you and make really harsh punishments and everyone will be thinking really hard about how bad they want have access.

They can stop piracy or child predators. what makes you think they can prevent access to running models that require no internet access to run

They can’t even stop people typing “can” when they mean “can’t”. :P

Re: The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs

#190

> Now is probably a good time to liquidate your pension, fly to a remote island somewhere, and live out the remaining 6 months or so of civilization in peace. > So maybe the open source apocalypse won’t happen yet. Sorry I wasn't at the last doomer meeting, when did we decide good open source models are a harbinger for the apocalypse?

Cute. Climate change’s apocalyptical impact on food crops and cancer rates (post-ozone collapse) never convinced people to enact change.

But hey, it’s open-model LLMs, the boogeyman! Can’t have that, it must be OpenAI or Anthropic safely controlling the market and calling all the shots.

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