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AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Can oscilloscopes go the way of the calculator?

When can one reasonably expect $10 10GHz oscilloscope on a chip, with some pins for video out and user input in?

At some point the economy will realize theres more LLM inference than access to scientific & technologic measurements, its an economic waste not to connect as much scientific instruments as possible to inference which already exists.

If the "dark arts" (which never really were that dark, analog designers for higher frequencies used the same Maxwell equations as the analog designers for lower frequencies, even if the implications change with frequency) end up automated by AI, the high wages will disappear, and oscilloscope mfrs won't be able to charge as much.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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> our common expectation I think you're going too far with this. Most people understand scientific theories to be an approximation. F=ma is approximately true, in the sense that it's only accurate within the newtonian regime and each of those terms includes so many asterisks that you will only ever measure it approximately. The latter is the jokes about the physicists "assuming a perfectly spherical cow." In fact tha…

> The latter is the jokes about the physicists "assuming a perfectly spherical cow." Not to detract from your point at all, but I only ever heard this joke about mathematicians !

do we mathematicians do particularly much work with cows that is made simpler by assuming they're spherical?

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Prior art doesn't have to be a patent. A frickin' Soviet movie was prior art in the Blue Origin/SpaceX lawsuit about landing rockets on barges.

Yes, but that movie was made by a human. My point was that it’s hard to imagine citing something that could not be patented as prior art. It would be like citing a phone book as proof that a software program can’t be copyrighted (“the exact bytes appear in the 1973 Albany NY white pages, therefore it wasn’t original”)

> My point was that it’s hard to imagine citing something that could not be patented as prior art.

There is no need for it to be patentable (or patented). Prior art only requires that it be described and be made publicly available. It doesn't even require the originator of the information to be identified (traditional knowledge is prior art.)

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Or they might conclude "even an AI could come up with this, it's obvious". Obviousness is a defense in patent law, not in copyright law.

There is a fairly effective counterpoint here that information is worthless if nobody can find it. Generating a handful of useful designs in a sea of pointless ones doesn’t count as ‘coming up with it’. Remember that a description of every idea already exists in the Library of Babel. I do not think that AI generation without curation really counts as ideation.

Suppose we create a database of (say) 5 million AI generated inventions.

Against the claim that this wouldn't be searchable, we can just observe that this is about the size of the US patent database. Does this mean patents are not searchable? In that case, aren't all patent infringements excused?

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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I’m a bit frustrated. AI can do a looot of things; but I think as we continue to muddy the waters between LLMs and more traditional machine learning like Monte Carlo, Genetic Algoriths, Expert Systems and other Statistics magic tricks, we’re too aggressively conflating established and morally neutral activities in ML with the concerns that people have about LLMs and Stable Diffusion. Though I also imagine that that i…

People who work in marketing do not seem particularly concerned with accuracy, or even just making logical sense.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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This is wrong - the training data is necessary but insufficient. There are a lot of other parts of the architectures used that add a lot of value - otherwise Markov chains would be all you need. There are layers upon layers with non linear activation functions, learned residuals, etc. They still absolutely must interpolate but the space they interpolate through is much more complex than the training data, and they ca…

the existence of free will is far from settled

Free will is still lacking a proper definition.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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> is a simple desk calculator a form of "AI" If what it does is "taking care of the carry", it represents a pretty minimal requirement for intelligence - it does replace a professional that could do it, but that professional does not have to apply too much proficiency and cleverness to do its job. It is improper AI. > what type of software isn't AI That which would not correspond to the job of an intelligent entity.…

> Maybe blitting bitmaps around a screen? Okay, that makes sense. Even so: > If what it does is "taking care of the carry", it represents a pretty minimal requirement for intelligence - it does replace a professional that could do it, but that professional does not have to apply too much proficiency and cleverness to do its job. It is improper AI. I think you're underselling how much mental work is required to solve…

But I am not sure the point is clear. There are different levels - and in fact, matrix multiplication is "easy", matrix multiplication of what (which architecture) is not.

Defining a procedure for arithmetic is easy. Implementing it in silicon is not. To carry on the procedure for the former has low relevance to intelligence. To carry on the job of the latter does have high relevance to intelligence. If the latter is performed by a professional it is intelligence. If it is performed by an algorithm it is artificial intelligence. "Automating finding out good ways to implement ALUs" is AI; the ALUs running are not.

So, studying AI, asking ourselves which new "devices" (abstract sense) we can find so that our algorithms have aspects of cleverness, is productive as it simply and plainly pushes, invests in the production of that class of algorithms.

Surely there is a continuity between "sort" and "genetic alg." - but the direction counts, it is in that direction that we strived to produce them producers.

So, it's very much not about the complexity of the product («sufficiently advanced technology»): it is in the complexity of the intermediate that built the final product, when that intermediate is not human. The pocket calculator is majestic, yes - but there is the strong point: it was human made. That is human intelligence at work. Study how to have it blueprinted by a machine, and if it works properly, you'll attribute a simulation of intelligence to the automated blueprinter - that is artificial intelligence.

> used words that describe what we're actually talking about

Look, people who follow me here know I place radical importance to language and to the awareness of language. It should be one of the aspects I would be most dreaded for.

Surely, most people are unaware of what they say to a large extent.

But in the case of "Artificial Intelligence", it seems you are underplaying the concept of directions - "simple algorithms" vs "advanced algorithms"; "houses" vs "skyscrapers"; "flying machines" vs "air force fighters". There is continuity and yet different position. And intelligence surely can be implemented at different levels.

Another thing (I am strongly selecting what I could reply, and I am forced to be concise). There is also a concept of "unintelligence" - the dire opposite of intelligence is also a thing (if Eliza is ~0, you can go below that). Understanding what intelligence is helps recognize its opposite, which is an experienced pitfall in the area.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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> The latter is the jokes about the physicists "assuming a perfectly spherical cow." Not to detract from your point at all, but I only ever heard this joke about mathematicians !

do we mathematicians do particularly much work with cows that is made simpler by assuming they're spherical?

At the very least the cow-equations are made simpler!

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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That is my favorite part of GA. Gradient free optimization but it turns out making a good fitness function is hard and like 70% of the time it just exploits some assumptions or gap you have in your theories. Really reveals the problem in different ways that traditional ML.

As someone who does a lot of genetic programming (like, old-school, without AI/LLMs, etc), I can confirm that the fitness function is very difficult to get right, especially if you are trying to evolve programs that have "adversarial fitness" -- you'd need to maintain a hall-of-fame, and that just makes the runs take _much_ longer, because, chances are, your fitness function is the bottle-neck. So, it is very hands-o…

Maybe you could have generated random test input, generated the trees, and then converted the trees back to the input, checking if they match?

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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How does your consciousness work?

Utterly haphazardly and inconsistently of course, same as yours. You thought that was some sort of argument? It slots right in and contradicts nothing.

I mean you can't explain how your consciousness works, so by your logic you don't "know that it works." But you do know that it works, because here you are.
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