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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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the success of mythos isn't from model weights, it's from the harness and toolset it has access to

Was Fable / Mythos in pi or opencode that much worse?

Probably, because those harnesses are less inclined to set all the tokens on fire in order to achieve a goal.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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It isn’t bad, it isn’t good. It’s just how the world looks now. All software is open source now, some of it is just more open, some of it is less.

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> law enforcement wasn’t able to keep up with those people

Law enforcement is almost irrelevant to cause and effect. Enforcing laws between jurisdictions mostly requires military or heavy economic incentives.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Yeah... NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company (based on my reading/following of Snowden leaks and others). Anthropic wouldn't be able to exist without implicit NSA approval. This article reads more like a marketing piece for Anthropic/Mythos... and ends by talking about how much NSA wants Anthropic models. Propaganda.

> NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company No, they don't.

It's generally accepted fact that the NSA broke HTTPS, for some of the time, for some of the services. It's unclear what they do have, but you'd be naive to assume consumer HTTPS is keeping them out.

It's too complicated. Do you know everything about CA, SSL, HTTPS, and so on? You make $250k a year working on it? Do you _really_, _really_, know everything? Then you're fired because you're lying to yourself, so you're probably unbearable to work with.

We were all freaking out about this with AT&T Thing nearly twenty years ago: and when nobody cared (Bush ran two terms! it helped to pretend AT&T was the only one affected), it gave "them" implicit permission to do it again with Google / Yahoo thing (it helped to pretend those were the only two cloud providers affected) ten years ago.

Now, we're all pretending that capitalism is real, and that the three letter agencies are just sittin' on the sidelines, while the world's largest data archiving opportunity is happening voluntarily (some are even PAYING for it!), at some wild-growth companies (with leaders who have too much to lose), who also have existed for just a few years? A 5 year old could probably blackmail Sam Altman, what about all the other middle management? The individual contributors (if they still exist) are of no concern: work is a commodity, it's easy to silo a worker's knowledge.

Surveillance opportunity is 10x social media from last decade, because they still have social media, and now, they've began thinking for people. How easy when it is an app on your smartphone. Those mind control experiments back in the 60's with Acid are looking silly by now. Besides, how do you know that the response you're getting wasn't manipulated (and define 'manipulated' across a spectrum of training to nefarious actors impersonating models, by power of court order.)

If you think all of that is unfounded ridiculous blasphemy, let me distract you with this instead: if the AI bubble bursts, the compute will be repurposed for mass AI / ML driven CCTV surveillance. Hell, maybe they'll find a way to give you a tax break if you sell your CCTV footage.

"NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company" even if this statement is an exaggeration, by playing the long game, they get themselves setup to access what they want in the future.

I'm not for or against, but I do live in a safe place thanks to such surveillance (generally in the USA), and I want you to know that this AI Thing is only the latest chapter in the intelligence story.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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'Mythos “broke into almost all of our classified systems, not in weeks, but in hours.”' Is Mythos a significant danger? The curl experience does not suggest that hysteria is warranted, but this gives me pause.

>> The curl experience does not suggest that hysteria is warranted, but this gives me pause.

What about the Firefox experience?

Or are we conveniently ignoring things that don't confirm conclusions we've already reached?

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Yeah... NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company (based on my reading/following of Snowden leaks and others). Anthropic wouldn't be able to exist without implicit NSA approval. This article reads more like a marketing piece for Anthropic/Mythos... and ends by talking about how much NSA wants Anthropic models. Propaganda.

the NSA isn't a bunch of super soldiers, they're cops with too much access, it doesn't take a genius to outsmart a cop

Please show me a photo of an NSA car with a light bar on it. They're not cops.

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Probably not. The US constitution limits what government can force on the people. If the NSA tries to force something that will spend years in court (if anyone wants to fight)

> The US constitution limits what government can force on the people. The US constitution also prohibits: - refusing to spend money that congress has appropriated - dismantling congressionally-created federal agencies without congressional authorization - directing federal agencies to selectively apply the law according to the preference of the executive - giving control of federal agencies to individuals who have no…

I'll die on the hill that this started at or before the Patriot act. Think about it. What's happening now just seems like a natural unfolding.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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How closely have you reviewed your browser's list of default trusted CAs?

I second this: HTTPS (as most consumers use it) is probably a front (who are these CA's really anyway?) Plot twist: _Perhaps_ Mythos / Fable keeps explaining ways (that we can't comprehend or don't always work) to break HTTPS due to the three letter agencies making sure they had input on their creation (and thus backdoors, I mean "bugs"), so the real catastrophe they are hiding is that HTTPS is broken (for most peopl…

I wouldn't go that far. I remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firesheep - HTTPS-everywhere was unambiguously an improvement over the status quo.

It just doesn't protect you all that well from nation-scale adversaries.

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