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California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by neutrinobro »

kube-system wrote: post #135
aidenn0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact: There is a law in California that has been interpreted to mean that all clubbing weapons are illegal. So if you by a length of pipe and keep it around (e.g. under your bed) explicitly for self-defense purposes, you have committed a crime. IANAL, but as far as I can tell, keeping a shotgun in your home for self-defense purposes would be fine, as long as you aren't planning ahead of time to use it as a club.…

This isn't just California. A lot of states have laws regulating the carrying of weapons, and include bats and clubs in those statutes, the definition of which often hinges on the intent of their use. This is why many may have heard lawyers say "if you're going to carry a baseball bat in your car, make sure to also carry a ball and mitt" https://legalclarity.org/is-it-legal-to-have-a-baseball-bat-... I think so many…

If you're in MA you better thing twice before walking around with your zoobow, klackers or kung-fu sticks! https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Cha...

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Post by kersplody »

monax wrote: post #11

Next they will ban hardware store ? Because you could make a weapon with that pipe

A single shopping to trip to Walmart or Home Depot can buy items that can be repurposed into bombs and physical and chemical weapons with only a little bit of know-how. Are we going to require mandatory ID and shopping cart analysis to all shopping too?

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Post by int_19h »

mbgerring wrote: post #168

In general I agree with the 3D printing and open source community that bills like these are bad ideas. However, I want to ask this question in the spirit of helping craft better arguments: Given that it is extremely well known that most commercial printers will refuse to print anything that looks like counterfeit currency, why is this considered technically unworkable? I agree that compliance would be onerous, but th…

With counterfeit currency, the whole point of the counterfeit is to look indistinguishable from the original. This makes it very easy to detect - you know exactly what to look for and you can block it with high confidence, because anything that is not sufficiently similar to the expected image is also too low-quality to be of use. There's also a fairly limited number of banknote designs in the world, and they are only updated rarely.

Not so with guns. Literally hundreds of existing designs, thousands if you account for all the variations. But more importantly, a working firearm is fundamentally an engineering problem with too many solutions. Real world designs tend to be as simple as they can be while still functioning (which is why most modern guns today are very similar internally - the field has converged, what difference remains is mostly legacy path dependent quirks). But if the goal is to defeat a filter, they can be easily made into something more complicated, looking very different but working largely the same.

And if you make the filter fuzzy enough to catch such things, it will also trigger on many completely unrelated things.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by int_19h »

kube-system wrote: post #135
aidenn0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact: There is a law in California that has been interpreted to mean that all clubbing weapons are illegal. So if you by a length of pipe and keep it around (e.g. under your bed) explicitly for self-defense purposes, you have committed a crime. IANAL, but as far as I can tell, keeping a shotgun in your home for self-defense purposes would be fine, as long as you aren't planning ahead of time to use it as a club.…

This isn't just California. A lot of states have laws regulating the carrying of weapons, and include bats and clubs in those statutes, the definition of which often hinges on the intent of their use. This is why many may have heard lawyers say "if you're going to carry a baseball bat in your car, make sure to also carry a ball and mitt" https://legalclarity.org/is-it-legal-to-have-a-baseball-bat-... I think so many…

Better yet, carry a mini shovel. Every car needs one anyway as part of the emergency kit (getting stuck in mud happens!), but a properly sharpened shovel also doubles as a very nasty weapon, much more so than a baseball bat.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by kersplody »

wxw wrote: post #107

The actual bill in question: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml... It seems more precise to say that 3D printers sold/transferred in California would need built-in anti-firearm-printing controls? I don't see how this directly bans students/teachers/businesses from owning 3d printers, which is what the title seems to say.

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Post by the_lucifer »

Terr_ wrote: post #73
overfeed wrote: post #63

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You managed to defeat the first layer of defense - the warning. The yellow identifying dots were present on your printed copy, should you have decided become a precocious criminal successful enough to warrant the attention of the Secret Service.

That leads into a great example of how most OS "telemetry" is anything but safe or innocent: 1. Your printer probably puts a secret code into everything you print (not just money-like things) with the time and a serial number of the printer. [0] 2. Windows and MacOS constantly sends the serial-numbers of your connected devices back to the mothership. [1][2] 3. So when you print out a flyer that somehow annoys the reg…

Digressing a bit, the link [2] feels off to me borderline scam-like. The URL points to "littlesnitchfirewall" which is not the official link to the well known macOS firewall application: https://obdev.at/products/littlesnitch, and this doesn't seem to be affiliated with Objective development in any way.

Also, the home page of that "blog" points to a 404 not found, and the footer of the blog says: "Official blog of NetworkMonitor — network monitoring and macOS privacy insights." and I can't seem to find any application made for the Mac called "NetworkMonitor".

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by Terr_ »

the_lucifer wrote: post #186
Terr_ wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That leads into a great example of how most OS "telemetry" is anything but safe or innocent: 1. Your printer probably puts a secret code into everything you print (not just money-like things) with the time and a serial number of the printer. [0] 2. Windows and MacOS constantly sends the serial-numbers of your connected devices back to the mothership. [1][2] 3. So when you print out a flyer that somehow annoys the reg…

Digressing a bit, the link [2] feels off to me borderline scam-like. The URL points to "littlesnitchfirewall" which is not the official link to the well known macOS firewall application: https://obdev.at/products/littlesnitch , and this doesn't seem to be affiliated with Objective development in any way. Also, the home page of that "blog" points to a 404 not found, and the footer of the blog says: "Official blog of N…

My mistake, I may have fallen for an impostor site when trying to find an approachable source, unfortunately the edit-window has closed.

Originally the comment was Windows/Microsoft-centric, and then I thought I'd better broaden it so that nobody makes the mistake of thinking Apple is significantly safer.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by dmitrygr »

dgellow wrote: post #6

If that becomes current law I don’t want to ever hear about Europe being over-regulated compared to the US…

CA != USA.

USA has plenty of saner places. In fact, one could argue that CA is a local minimum for sanity in USA

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