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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by gershy »

andriy_koval wrote: post #179
gershy wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm trying to see the argument for "Israel deliberately targets children", closest thing I got was "Israel has made lots of children into amputees" - can you provide more info?

I think its obvious that there will be a lot of children amputees in active denstly populated warzone.

I think there's an ethical difference between "we need to wage war on a densely populated area", and "we need to wage war on a densely populated area, let's make sure to harm the vulnerable people we encounter there". This is what I'm trying to differentiate between.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by runarberg »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #161
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The security council was built around the nuclear powers at the time. I guess there are two ways to look at it: 1: The new nuclear powers should be included, I guess including N Korea, India, and Pakistan. And possibly Israel, if they admit to having them. 2: Rethink the whole thing. Are nukes really as important as everybody thought they were after WWII? If not, what should we look at to decide who to include?

> Are nukes really as important as everybody thought they were after WWII? Possibly moreso. Nuclear sovereignty is demonstrably above the conventional type. At the end of the day, having a forum where nuclear powers with long-range delivery capability can veto things reduces the risk of them using that capability to veto in the real world. By the range requirement, Tel Aviv and Pyongyang qualify for UNSC inclusion. N…

I haven’t run the stats on this but it seems to me that countries which have nukes are more likely to invade other countries and then use the nukes as shields to prevent retaliation.

Out of the 9 current nuclear armed countries 5 have invaded another countries this century, and three of the most prolific invaders this century (Israel, USA, and Russia; each with over 3 invasions this century) are all nuclear armed. Out of the 4 countries which haven‘t invaded another country this century, two (India and Pakistan) regularly engage in border skirmishes and bombing campaigns. This leaves China and North Korea as the only two nuclear armed countries (out of 9) which don‘t regularly engage in foreign wars.

By our current experience, the proliferation of nuclear armed states is almost certain to end in a disaster at a previously unseen scale. We should be doing everything in our power to prevent this world of future horrors.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by andriy_koval »

gershy wrote: post #181
andriy_koval wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think its obvious that there will be a lot of children amputees in active denstly populated warzone.

I think there's an ethical difference between "we need to wage war on a densely populated area", and "we need to wage war on a densely populated area, let's make sure to harm the vulnerable people we encounter there". This is what I'm trying to differentiate between.

We won't know without analyzing protocols how Israel picks targets.

Also, harming civilians is the norm in modern world. Russia absolutely deliberately is targeting critical civilian infra in Ukraine (e.g. grid during cold winter).

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by clydethefrog »

gershy wrote: post #153

I was trying to pay attention to the actual claim and I got: 1. Children died during the ceasefire 2. Israel is using larger bomb payloads than it should (according to who?) in civilian areas 3. Higher percentage of child deaths than in earlier conflicts Still, for me, doesn't add up to "Israel deliberately targetted gaza children" - is the claim that this is systemic? Or rampant? Or just by some individuals? And how…

The European Press Prize this year went to "What the wounds are telling us", an investigation into the wounds of Palestinian dead children. I recommend you read it.

https://www.europeanpressprize.com/article/what-the-wounds-a...

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by gershy »

Zealotux wrote: post #61
petesergeant wrote: post #9

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Is the killing of five-year-old Hind Rajab, alongside six of her family members, and two paramedics who came to rescue her, also a reach? Please, help me draw the line.

I need to push down emotions to put it this way, but I think it's also important to consider that tragedies and losses of life such as hind rajab are possible even in a justified war.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by henry2023 »

“Systematic deliberate targeting of children as policy”.

I don’t see why this is controversial.

Pro-Palestine people have seen the overwhelming field reports that prove this and Pro-Israel people actually are in favor of targeting these kids because they might grow resentful of Israel and join Hamas.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by lorecore »

skybrian wrote: post #155
cognitiveinline wrote: post #3

Maybe to spark curious conversation, when a world power seems to be supportive of actions that an international body considers negative, what structure can help resolve these? It does seem like UN is unable to really make a dent here.

Maybe it would help if other countries focused on the immediate problem: rescuing people from a dangerous situation. They should be volunteering to take refugees. Sadly, it's unlikely because they care more about keeping immigrants out.

Unless you're talking about Zionists returning to their homeland, you're advocating for ethnic cleansing. Palestinians should not be refugees from their own land.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by skybrian »

lorecore wrote: post #189
skybrian wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it would help if other countries focused on the immediate problem: rescuing people from a dangerous situation. They should be volunteering to take refugees. Sadly, it's unlikely because they care more about keeping immigrants out.

Unless you're talking about Zionists returning to their homeland, you're advocating for ethnic cleansing. Palestinians should not be refugees from their own land.

No, I'm not talking about forcing anyone to leave. There are likely people who do want to leave who are trapped there.
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