Only regulation can solve such issue.
However, our government is very weak....
Never Give Them Your Face
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#182This is a little bit of a tangent compared to the post, but can someone explain to me why it's NOW that we have multiple countries (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and probably others that I am not aware of) all looking at age verification for a technology (the internet and all the things it lets you access) has existed for over 2 decades, and has been mature for at least 10 years? You could buy illicit drugs and watch p…
It's because of Jonathan Haidt's book
I don't know who that is or which book you are talking about, because he has written many, it seems.
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#183I have yet to receive my federal tax refund because I submitted my taxes through a preparation service and, thinking that physical checks were still an option (the tax software didn't tell me otherwise), I did not give the federal government an ACH account number for direct deposit. The IRS then told me I'd have to open an account to update/provide direct deposit info, which in turn requires me to register with ID.me…
While I agree that this is annoying, you're trying to interact with the federal government which actually does require IDENTITY verification and not age verification in order to perform its duties. That id.me account allows you to take actions on behalf of a citizen, so they need to confirm some things first.
It's not great, but it's not what the original poster is against.
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#184I like that how in the same place that they have been trying to "protect the children" for like a decade [1], they have also had a real rape gang epidemic [2]. It's almost like they are, in fact, not really trying to protect the children.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_age_verification_in_the...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grooming_gangs_scandal
Hilariously, a commenter asked me for a citation for the epidemic. Commenter: you're not mr current events are you?
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this kind of comment where you share the sentiment that you will ultimately admit defeat emboldens the factions that are hoping for people to be like you. I also think these kinds of comments may also bring doubt to people considering resisting these kinds of concessions. In other words I think the people pushing these kinds of "identification" methods would love you for spreading their silent message of this…
They won’t be emboldened by this comment, they will be emboldened when their internal data shows they aren’t losing users at a rate high enough to change their behavior.
Which will be partly because of this comment.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this kind of comment where you share the sentiment that you will ultimately admit defeat emboldens the factions that are hoping for people to be like you. I also think these kinds of comments may also bring doubt to people considering resisting these kinds of concessions. In other words I think the people pushing these kinds of "identification" methods would love you for spreading their silent message of this…
Are you really advocating for suppressing rational assessments for the likelihood of success because you think the analysis is too discouraging? If you already agree the resistance will ultimately lead nowhere, why not focus that energy on something with a better chance of success? Best guess would be partnering with someone like the EFF for a solution through lobbying And the courts.
How have the EFF and the courts worked so far? We do need an EFF, but they're clearly not all that effective. And the courts just won't do anything unless someone does something illegal.
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> Sorry. You can refuse the covid vaccine, but that won't stop everyone else from blithly accepting it. I agree with this part, but then, I personally don't have a problem with everyone else giving up their privacy. > Then once the critical mass is reached, your ability to buy groceries can just be terminated. The 20% of the population that refuses just isn't important enough to matter. Wut? Can you provide any infor…
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#188There is actually a way to prove the age anonymously. Yubikey-like devices support attestation - they can have a private key proving authenticity of a device. So some organization could release Yubikeys with a certain private key and distribute them in stores that allow only adult customers - like liquor stores or sex shops. Owning a key proves that one is adult without disclosing identity. Keys support USB and bluet…
The problem with that is, parents be like: >Here kid, take my key, go get me some beer. Everyone everywhere gets forced to deal with bullshit, then the people it is supposed to be protecting circumvent it directly.
When I was 8 or 9, my Father would often give me 50p to go down to the nearby pub to get him 20 cigarettes and a half-pound bar of chocolate, which came to 48p. Always "and where's my change then?" when I returned. Tight git.
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#189I like that how in the same place that they have been trying to "protect the children" for like a decade [1], they have also had a real rape gang epidemic [2]. It's almost like they are, in fact, not really trying to protect the children. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_age_verification_in_the... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grooming_gangs_scandal Hilariously, a commenter asked me for a citation for the…
Citation was provided for "protect the children" but not for rape gang epidemic?
But suppose there was a rape gang epidemic - wouldn't that be a good reason to want to protect the children?
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#190It ends with "The platforms need you far more than you need them". And I think this is the misconception. No, they don't. The amount of people who will sign this, is a fraction of a fraction of a "platform"'s users. They will not care if they lose 50,000 users out of 2 Billion. A drop in the ocean. Not the target audience anyway. And that is the real shame. Because I don't want to have to give my face or do age verif…
They arguably don't need any users as long as they can maintain the delusion of being important and especially present that delusion to politicians.
s/politicians/the stock market/, yes.