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Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by fennecbutt »

latentsea wrote: post #98
asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

The final defense is to stop having children. Then there's no one to think of.

People are already doing that lmao and the general population is so apathetic that they simply don't care cheap flights and buying crap from Temu will cook us to death, they don't care that late stage capitalism has made it harder and harder for people to have families. Even if the replacement rate is magically fixed tomorrow there's still gonna be a long gap and hard times ahead.

It's still far off but I wouldn't be surprised if these were the earliest signs of societal collapse. It does seem impossible to avoid, going in cycles.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by tychez »

asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

Compliance is much easier though.

You want access to Fable? Show us your ID.

As much as I am completely against this in spirit, all that is needed is restricted access to frontier models and then it just a question of how do you want to see my papers sir?

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by downrightmike »

Bender wrote: post #51
downrightmike wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord used a 3rd party and they were supposed to delete IDs they were sent, but they didn't do that and it got leaked

A perfect example of why Discord should only be sending RTA headers for any server that may contain adult material and the onus is then on the parent to ensure the small children are using devices that have parental controls enabled. If a channel claims to be child friendly and it turns out they are not they get server banned.

Why are kids on discord anyway? That's bad parenting

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by latentsea »

pocksuppet wrote: post #153
latentsea wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The final defense is to stop having children. Then there's no one to think of.

Then we are the last generation and nothing matters. Sad, isn't it? I'm trying not to cry. You know, there's an argument that if your soul/consciousness is occupying a randomly selected body (whatever that means - don't take it too literally) you'd expect to be occupying a body during the time when there are the most human bodies to occupy. 6% of all humans who were ever alive so far are alive right now. It's not rea…

It doesn't imply we're the last generation. The last generation to live like this maybe, but not the last. It seems somewhat clear that modern society is incompatible with humanity to a degree. I think in the all it means humanity regresses to the mean, the population drastically shrinks and people live much simpler lives.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by latentsea »

fennecbutt wrote: post #181
latentsea wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The final defense is to stop having children. Then there's no one to think of.

People are already doing that lmao and the general population is so apathetic that they simply don't care cheap flights and buying crap from Temu will cook us to death, they don't care that late stage capitalism has made it harder and harder for people to have families. Even if the replacement rate is magically fixed tomorrow there's still gonna be a long gap and hard times ahead. It's still far off but I wouldn't be…

Collapse happens slowly, and then all at once. I assume humanity will eventually go through a "regression to the mean" and the collapsed birth rate is the pendulum gearing up to swing in that direction at full force.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by chadgpt3 »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #166
chadgpt3 wrote: post #126

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PGP

PGP is not a very effective software suite for encrypting actual messages people want to send to other people, because it's a decades-old tool designed for email workflows that arguably never worked particularly well and is not well-suited to how people want to communicate today. Chat apps like Signal and WhatsApp that include end to end encryption as a matter of course are encrypting far more messages between humans…

that would be illegal in this hypothetical future

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by ralferoo »

Looking at that page, it cites the rating string "RTA-5042-1996-1400-1577-RTA" with no indication what those numbers mean or why the RTA is repeated. Googling that string, it just seems to be some random fixed token. Why have we got this nonsense?

Also, why is this restricted to only marking up adult sites? There should be an equivalent for marking sites that are specifically designed for children (e.g. educational material) and specifically tested as designed for adults but safe for children (e.g. news).

Without the safe opt-in, this scheme can never work, as the majority of the sites will be considered safe for children when they are not, and nobody will be able to trust it. Better to have an opt-in safe marker, and some enforcement against websites that mark their content as child-safe when it's not.

An example of why you need to force people to opt-in is e.g. HTTPS, which was available for years but only really taken up by banking websites etc. It was only adopted by everybody when it was enforced by the browser. Until website owners are forced to take an action to explicitly mark their content as safe or adult, it simply won't happen at scale.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by andunie »

throw10920 wrote: post #111
andunie wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opposite is true.

By this you mean that the first line of defense should be to change the government, correct? If so, I'm pretty sure you're right. Technical solutions to social/governmental problems seem like they're making those problems worse due to actively rechanneling energy that could be used for awareness/activism into technical workarounds.

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