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Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by ransom1538 »

bko wrote: post #79
ransom1538 wrote: post #51

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Teacher uses AI, creates lesson plan -> AI creates assignments -> Teacher gives assignments to students -> Students use AI to do assignment -> Teacher grades with AI -> Principal uses AI to monitor teachers progress. This is happening at schools nationwide. It is unstoppable at this point. It's a bizarre charade.

This isn't about teachers using Ai to make their life easier, otherwise it wouldn't only apply to elementary school, and from what I read it applies to students. Students likely aren't allowed to use AI anyway for assignments. Or are they? That's the question, what is actually being banned if anything

"Students likely aren't allowed to use AI anyway for assignments"

This can be reduced to "Do students have access to a phone". Good luck after 12 years of age with that. That is a tough war.

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Post by wetpaws »

simonw wrote: post #92
irishcoffee wrote: post #77

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Kids can read, write, and comprehend text at 8. I don’t even like LLMs and I’m against this mess. Imagine having regulations rolled out when we were 8 saying “you can’t use the internet!” And I was running my own websites by 10 years old. Let’s stop pretending this tech is as interesting as we wish it was. If we want to ban models in school, ban laptops/chromebooks with internet. I don’t see the difference at this po…

> Kids can read, write, and comprehend text at 8 A sizable portion of the US adult population effectively can't read, write and comprehend text. https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/piaac/2023/national_results.asp for 2023: > Between 2017 and 2023, there were increases in the percentages of adults performing at the lowest proficiency level (Level 1 or below) in both literacy and numeracy: in literacy this percentage increased…

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Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by froh »

abujazar wrote: post #169

The problem is they were two decades late digitizing the classroom. Now we're dealing with the aftermath with the educational system still not being capable of keeping up with societal progress.

that's dismissing that brains need time to evolve. what if brains need to be mature enough in and by themselves before they benefit from digital support? as in "no telly before 3-4, no smartphone before 14, prioritize pen and paper proficiency until 12-14" makes sense biological brain maturity?

then "give'm a computer ASAP" is the wrong answer.

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Post by bendriv »

bko wrote: post #13

Im confused, are there tasks given to 6 to 13 year old to use AI? In the classroom, are they just throwing gpt in front of them? Is that the modern equivalent of watching a vhs? Or do they have homework to vibe code something or given some prompts to ask at home and save somewhere? Serious question, what does this mean?

I have three children in that age span in a Norwegian school. For the ages 10-13, ChatGPT and the like has frequently been used in the classroom to help with the cold start problem when doing writing assignments, and for getting feedback on written work before handing in to the teachers. Also frequently used as a brainstorming tool or for writing whole speaches or presentations that should be held in front of the class or school. As for doing homework, the school-provided and school-managed iPad has (had I should say) www.chatgpt.com whitelisted, so using these tools also for homework is at least not blocked, and sometimes encouraged.

My children has at least not yet received any tasks or homework using AI for coding. They teach less coding in school now compared to when I was at the same age, at least at my elementary school.

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Post by pesus »

graphememes wrote: post #134

just ban everyone from using ai completely lets go back to how it used to be

What a dream. If we could also somehow get rid of social media at the same time (or at least algorithmic recommendations and other predatory practices), the world would be a significantly better place.

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

Jimmc414 wrote: post #176
Saline9515 wrote: post #167

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Please define "AI fluency"? From what I see, it's mainly being able to write and read at a high level, and having a strong media litteracy and critical reasoning sense something you don't need AI for. And having no TV and no smartphone at home and at school is likely the best way to acquire it.

By AI fluency I mean basically knowing how to drive the tools, an intuition for what the tools can and can't do, when to use AI vs doing it yourself, plus detecting when output is wrong, knowing what to verify, etc.

All of those skills have a half life of like 8 months.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

ares623 wrote: post #162
nunez wrote: post #155

Spend a few minutes on the teacher subreddits: /r/teachers and /r/professors, specifically. AI has been a disaster for student outcomes and educator performance, more or less across the board. It should be banned in education, but there's no way to enforce that without increasing educator workload substantially (eliminating homework and re-working lesson plans around that; moving tests and projects back into the clas…

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Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by simonw »

Jimmc414 wrote: post #176
Saline9515 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please define "AI fluency"? From what I see, it's mainly being able to write and read at a high level, and having a strong media litteracy and critical reasoning sense something you don't need AI for. And having no TV and no smartphone at home and at school is likely the best way to acquire it.

By AI fluency I mean basically knowing how to drive the tools, an intuition for what the tools can and can't do, when to use AI vs doing it yourself, plus detecting when output is wrong, knowing what to verify, etc.

I feel like "detecting when output is wrong, knowing what to verify" is the key skill, but it's also extremely demanding.

You need to have a very solid understanding of things like sources, and bias, and how to evaluate if something is likely to be true, and how to get to a credible answer.

Given the number of people online who try to read arguments with screenshots of a ChatGPT conversation, this is not an obvious process at all.

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Post by snvzz »

LtWorf wrote: post #65
lacoolj wrote: post #52

"..ban on smart phones.." "..ban on gen AI.." "..ban on social media.." yes YES YASSSSSSSSSSSS Ban all the things for kids. I don't want to be interviewing people in 10 years and decline every candidate because they can't correctly answer the question "You are 50ft away from the car wash. Do you walk or drive?"

To be fair, norwegian kids would probably fail because they don't have a clue how much 50 feet are.

>50ft

I only have two feet, so if I am to get there, I must use a vehicle.

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