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Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by 827a »

bhouston wrote: post #47

> "Dual 25 Gigabit SFP28 ports and redundant power supplies for resilience" Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? I've had the hardest time making my TrueNAS ZFS server fast when it was filled with HDD spinning disks. I initially also had 12 of them trying to get maximum speed. I have 128GB RAM and a 10G ethernet connection. I tried all types of optimizations like L2ARC via NVMe, etc, and it w…

It does have a dual NVMe cache; those in RAID-0 will saturate (e.g. I believe just one Samsung 990 Pro can write at just over 50Gbps).

The bigger risk is the CPU. This is an issue with the Ubiquiti UNAS Pro 8, their ~$800 USD 8 bay NAS. In theory it has 10gig networking. In practice the CPU physically cannot transfer bits fast enough, because its a dinky underpowered ARM CPU that they clearly chose to hit that quite affordable price point. Its a decent trade-off, because similar units from Synology are more like $1600, and you can meaningfully hit somewhere between 2.5gig and 10gig; but saturating 10gig is out of the question.

The ENAS has a beefier CPU so it might keep up with 25gig (could this do 50gig bonded?). But only testing will tell.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by ksec »

radicalbyte wrote: post #175
sussexby wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same is true for our AI processing on the cameras. This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine.

I've been so impressed with Ubiquiti that I've decided to target FreeBSD for my current side project. Their camera system is wonderful. Their DreamMachine is a massive upgrade for my home network. Their APs are rock solid, no hassle, just work, and it integrates so well. I have my work / home on different subnets. I have the kids on a different subnet and behind a firewall providing some protection against ads. Very…

>I've been so impressed with Ubiquiti that I've decided to target FreeBSD for my current side project.

As much as I wish Ubnt are using BSD in their product, which they are not. I am understanding how FreeBSD relates here.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

sussexby wrote: post #51
elevation wrote: post #38

I'm glad to see UBNT in this space. I've always used ZFS because it's vastly superior to other options. When I see storage companies building without fault tolerance, or without a merkle tree (so that you can backup deltas efficiently without having to recompute them) it's a sign their marketing team has more influence over the company than their engineers. Sadly, the few ZFS COTS options have been somewhat underpowe…

The same is true for our AI processing on the cameras. This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine.

I am unable to accept that it is fully local, since you have to bind your network to their cloud just to accept the EULA. [0] I have 0% trust that a subsequent unbind truly severs the link, because this is such a shady thing to require in the first place.

[0] https://community.ui.com/questions/e3d50641-5c00-4607-9723-4...

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by hoherd »

jjcm wrote: post #60

What is the current state of ZFS? I know it had some licensing issues traditionally, despite it being a delight to use every time I've tried it. Is it back?

I've been using ZFS on linux for like... 14 years now? I've migrated through centos, ubuntu, and debian during that time and the zpools never had any issues that weren't hardware related.

ZFS is my favorite filesystem. I even use it on single drives because its snapshots and online data integrity checking are so great.

I even use it on single spinning rust USB drives. Zero problems.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by bri3d »

9x39 wrote: post #157
Fnoord wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With face detection? License plates? Tamper protection? I do that with my Unifi Protect doorbell. RTSP streams. Google Coral. Frigate. Scales very well. Do ML on low quality stream. Look/save the high quality stream. You do it all centralized, and you can put the camera(s) on a seperate VLAN. They don't even need internet access. If you run them over PoE twisted pair, the attacker would need physical access to perf…

Wow, that's cool, learned something new today. Does that work better in your estimation than the UI Protect software? The purpose of my comment had only been pointing out those features don't come onboard a $100 cam.

(not the parent poster, but same setup): Is it better than UI Protect? No, but you can make it about the same.

I have the same popular setup (Frigate) although I just use ONNX on an 11th-gen Intel CPU instead of a Coral (unless you are trying to do something fundamentally goofy like use a Raspberry Pi as an NVR, Coral doesn't really perform better than even a several-generations-old iGPU or iNPU).

This is the typical OSS story: you can duct tape a giant leaning tower of janky stuff (Frigate + go2rtc + HomeAssistant + various connectors + some kind of VPN/proxy solution for away-from-home access) together and get something that's fairly close to the commercial solution, where you click a button. The open source solution is fun and more customizable in highly niche ways (you can bring your own image recognition models and tagging, adjust the resolution and encoding for everything in infinite detail, and so on) and the commercial solution is easy and works. Chose your path.

I will say I've liked the Frigate stack, though. I'm making some recognition tweaks for recognizing animals on my property, the software works well enough, and I do like having a really, truly on-prem solution for this specific thing.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by Havoc »

The price looks kinda rough. I built a server that stomps this for under a grand (vs their 4k). Stronger CPU, likely faster ram, optane zfs cache instead of nvme...

Admittedly my 1 grand is referenced off pre AI insanity pricing. Call it 1.5 today

Point is someone willing to roll the dicey on AMD consumer CPUs doing ECC can beat everything else out there

[for those contemplating...asus crosshair viii dark hero is where you want to start looking ) And reminder that these boards take UDIMMs not RDIMMs...do not assume suppliers understand the difference

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by joshstrange »

This is interesting, I'm not sure I fully understand how this compares to their UNAS offerings. I can't remember off the top of my head if UNAS does m.2 cache drives.

I bought the 8-bay UNAS ($799.00) but have yet to put a drive in it yet since the costs are out of control for hard drives currently. I'm still using my 2x 12-bay Synology for now.

I hope they don't abandon or lose focus of their UNAS offerings (and/or they get better) since I had planned to buy 2-3 more 8-bay UNAS units once I can afford the drives for them.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by ksec »

oseityphelysiol wrote: post #126
nemothekid wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are already a public company.

93% owned by the founder.

I had to fact check this. Turns out it is true. I was not aware on US stock exchange you can have a public company with less than 10% public float.

This also makes the founder net worth of around $33B.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by tombert »

I always forget that these things aren't for me. My immediate thought is always immediately "just build your own NAS with a vanilla Linux box and set up Samba or something because then you can make it however you want".

But of course, if I'm someone who knows how to build a NAS and is inclined to do such a thing, then I'm sort of inherently not the kind of person that would be interested in such things and not the audience they're marketing towards, which is obviously fine.

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