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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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> Sounds like yet another Scam Altman, perfect match indeed. Not really. Altman couldn't code his way out of a wet paper bag. Noam is OTOH and IIUC the real deal.

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Give it a rest, you've gotten the point across.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Why shouldn't the court entertain it? If Character is innocent, shouldn't they have the opportunity to have the accusations disproven?

The case is so blatantly frivolous it should have been thrown out. Nobody should have to spend legal fees defending claims that they're responsible for somebody killing themselves over saying "come home to me".

Won't they get those fees back if dismissed or if the plaintiff doesn't prevail?

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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The context is AI made some knowledge work less cushy so now some folks are trying to point out random imaginary flaws (e.g TP or "water usage") when they're not busy trying to convince everyone AI doesn't work.

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Good thing Elliott Smith is already dead or I imagine you would have a bone to pick with him.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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https://old.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1u8xc9m/most_l... Seems like there are some insights here! edit: it seems the post has been removed but comments are viewable. 1 liner summary: To put it lightly, the dude was politically outspoken and held strong beliefs.

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Referring to this or what? Reddit post is gone, but Yahoo has something.

> "I do not believe that humans have an attribute called gender," Shazeer wrote, news site the Information reported Friday. "I do not believe that G-d puts people in the wrong bodies. I do not believe that it is okay to sterilize children. You have the right to your beliefs. I do not share them."

It's not dumb, and it's ridiculous if Google really has a problem with this. But it also says he kept accusing coworkers of being antisemitic, which clearly crosses the line into disrupting work.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Google and Apple both need a culling similar to what Elon did with Twitter after taking over.

I disagree. It's not about the culling, it has never been, and actually, it makes things worse. You spend countless hours and tons of money recruiting talented people not to lay them off because you don't want a bureaucratic org. If the issue is inefficiency, tons of meetings, too much team alignment etc, then that's the issue that you need to tackle, and these issues can already appear in a 50-100 employee company.…

That depends who you are firing. There are many job roles who's primary output is meetings and documents.

What percentage of Google employees are engineers...

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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I loved that show. The love that went into it really shows. Sadly the gap between reality and satire has shrunk. But yes. I also wish that show would come back. Noam shazeer would be google head dreamer

The gap between reality and satire was apparently already very small back when the the show was written. The creator, Mike Judge (who also created Beavis & Butthead, and Idiocracy) had worked in Silicon Valley as a developer and based the show on what he saw. Apparently it was very popular with SV insiders precisely because it was so accurate.

And office space!

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Reporting on this seems to indicate that people at Anthropic are significantly more loyal, and that attempts to poach by OpenAI and Meta have been largely unsuccessful.

Their options are probably insane sunk cost, hard to steal an engineer who has Xm in potential gains if they choose to stay.

People seem to have turned down offers that would have netted out more upside for them, so it doesn't seem to just be that. Anthropic seems to lure in the true believers, whereas people are highly skeptical of Sam's motivations these days (particularly after how much safety/alignment has been reportedly cut).

But I'm sure for at least some folks, this is true, given recent valuations.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Some context for people who haven’t followed the full loop: Shazeer was a long-time Google researcher, joined Google in 2000, and was one of the co-authors of “Attention Is All You Need.” He left Google in 2021 to co-found Character.AI. In 2024, Google brought him and some Character.AI researchers back via a licensing/talent deal with Character.AI (reportedly around $2.7B). He was then made a Gemini co-lead. Now he’s…

How can an acquired dude leave after less than 2 years?

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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That twitter story isn't anything unique to OpenAI or Google, it's just classic "big public corp vs private startup" culture. Once you have to worry about the SEC, shareholders, antitrust, regulations, lawsuits, etc. it's very, very difficult to avoid turning into "big corp" culture. Sama, and any other founder, will always have a difficult fight against bureaucracy, and once you let a little bit in, the bureaucracy'…

Google and Apple both need a culling similar to what Elon did with Twitter after taking over.

> Google and Apple both need a culling similar to what Elon did with Twitter after taking over.

You could cut Google's size by 40% and they'd still have more corporate employees than Apple.

(Google has ~190k employees, Apple has ~160k but 50k of those are retail staff, so ~110k corporate)

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