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Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by redox99 »

smith7018 wrote: post #147
redox99 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely opus level for coding.

Do you have benchmarks or at least anecdotes to back that up? I'm not arguing with you; I would just love to see some proof that open models are getting as good as Anthropic's models.

I've been running some test prompts comparing frontier models for webdev, particularly pretty visualizations, physics / orbital simulations, etc.

Do note that GLM is not multi modal, which can be a deal breaker. And these open models are not good outside coding.

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by re-thc »

Schiendelman wrote: post #17
unrvl22 wrote: post #4

Why aren't more people talking about this? It's literally Opus 4.7 quality stupid prices. I know providers who are offering this at unlimited tokens for $50 a month. Some are even offering API rates at 3x lower than the official ZAI api rates which are already like 10x cheaper than Opus. (Crof and Umans btw) This is a huge blow to Anthropic/OpenAI/Google and a massive win for the rest of the world. The official API p…

To answer the question in your first sentence - because it's VERY computationally (ha) expensive as a human being to keep up with all the options. It's also very hard to figure out how to run a model like this. There's no installer . If you really really care, which 99% of people do not, you have to google a guide, and then find out it's out of date... I've tried a number of these, and the learning curve is very stee…

> There's no installer.

There's ZCode (https://zcode.z.ai). Which is like the Codex App.

That's as "easy" as it is for non-devs that you're complaining about.

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by bel8 »

JustSkyfall wrote: post #118

The problem with these benchmarks is that the Chinese models tend to be incredible on paper, and absolutely terrible in practice :/

I beg to differ. I replaced a $40/mo GitHub Copilot subscription where I used Opus 4.6 and GPT 5.5 with a $10/mo opencode Go plan where I use mostly DeepSeek V4 Flash and testing MiMo 2.5.

I work on mid-sized projects currently (200k to 1kk lines of code).

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by ashenke »

simonw wrote: post #110

I was surprised that GLM 5.1/5.2 are not vision models - they are text input only. That's actually pretty uncommon these days. All of the OpenAI/Anthropic/Gemini models accept images, and so do the other leading open weight families - Gemma 4, Qwen 3.6, Kimi 2.x. In GLM's case image input would be useful because it's a model that scores very highly for tasks like web design, but without image input it can't take a sc…

I had the same reaction with Deepseek V4 ! It would be more useful as a vision model

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by root-parent »

xstas1 wrote: post #140
giancarlostoro wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually have Claude build a plan first, then I put it into an XML file it updates with phases, usually we talk about some of those tasks, and then once its good and I like it, I have Claude implement the plan. Another thing I tell Claude to do is to not guess, but look at documentation, it messes up a lot less, might use some tokens reading docs, but at least it has a higher success rate code wise.

XML??

XML stands for Xtra ML....

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by CuriouslyC »

JustSkyfall wrote: post #118

The problem with these benchmarks is that the Chinese models tend to be incredible on paper, and absolutely terrible in practice :/

This was a problem with older Qwen/MiMo/Kimi models mostly. GLM has always been on the more robust side, and newer iterations from all those labs have improved as well. The only lab I've seen regressing this way is DeepSeek, 3.2 was fairly robust but 4.0 feels more benchmaxxed.

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by [deleted] »

_pdp_ wrote: post #116
simonw wrote: post #110

I was surprised that GLM 5.1/5.2 are not vision models - they are text input only. That's actually pretty uncommon these days. All of the OpenAI/Anthropic/Gemini models accept images, and so do the other leading open weight families - Gemma 4, Qwen 3.6, Kimi 2.x. In GLM's case image input would be useful because it's a model that scores very highly for tasks like web design, but without image input it can't take a sc…

I don't see this being such a big gap. There are some use-cases for sure but apart from UX/UI work it is not really needed. Besides, none of the frontier models can replicate actual images - the can approximate at least in my own experience.

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Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by tiahura »

_pdp_ wrote: post #116
simonw wrote: post #110

I was surprised that GLM 5.1/5.2 are not vision models - they are text input only. That's actually pretty uncommon these days. All of the OpenAI/Anthropic/Gemini models accept images, and so do the other leading open weight families - Gemma 4, Qwen 3.6, Kimi 2.x. In GLM's case image input would be useful because it's a model that scores very highly for tasks like web design, but without image input it can't take a sc…

I don't see this being such a big gap. There are some use-cases for sure but apart from UX/UI work it is not really needed. Besides, none of the frontier models can replicate actual images - the can approximate at least in my own experience.

Using llms to generate docx. Being able to rasterize and review is an important part of the process.
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