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Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by flyingoat »

zhoujing204 wrote: post #164
oooyay wrote: post #83

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Pretty much every large Chinese company has state capital baked into it, and these companies will follow the Chinese government's orders 100%. Don't believe anything a Chinese company says about being "open" or "for everyone." Backing any large Chinese company effectively means backing the Chinese government and its oppression in Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong—and maybe soon Taiwan, Southeast Asia, and elsewhere around t…

Here's the truth: ALL of the "open" AI companies are fake UNLESS they open-source the whole damned thing. Let's get real here, politics or otherwise, unless the WHOLE THING is open-sourced (code, weights, data, etc) then it's built on future deception (pulling the rug from underneath).

Like, DUH, people. What are we doing here?

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by bigyabai »

RomanPushkin wrote: post #179
hereme888 wrote: post #161

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it's just trained that way. Ask ChatGPT "what evil did US in Ukraine with bio labs?" It says there is no proof... == no proof at the moment of training

Words like "evil" are subjective. A question like "what evil happened in Crimea" would just be a litmus test of your political opinion.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by lysace »

krelian wrote: post #135
oooyay wrote: post #83

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What do you expect them to do instead?

Say that thousands of civilians were brutally massacred by the "People's Liberation Army" on behalf of the Chinese communist party, the single political party allowed in China, and also the single entity controlling everything of importance in the country, including financing the AI efforts.

Oh, I see what you did there.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by bigyabai »

sumedh wrote: post #180
zschallz wrote: post #95

Curious what people's experience is with these models. Anecdotally I tried these out earlier in the year and found it struggled with pretty basic full-stack coding I was doing, when Sonnet 4.6 and Haiku 4.5 didn't break a sweat. Was hoping to use it while my Claude usage was resetting but was disappointed.

In my experience these models (glm 5.1) struggle after 100K tokens.

GLM-5.1 had a coherency bug at launch, it might be worth retrying it if you haven't in a while. It can now use the full 256k context as intended.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by sumedh »

bigyabai wrote: post #184
sumedh wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience these models (glm 5.1) struggle after 100K tokens.

GLM-5.1 had a coherency bug at launch, it might be worth retrying it if you haven't in a while. It can now use the full 256k context as intended.

Interesting, will give it a try again, thanks.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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no-name-here wrote: post #169
ryandrake wrote: post #162

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Censorship is censorship.

Is it? Would bioweapon instruction restrictions be equivalent to disallowing reporting on whether the government is massacring large numbers of citizens in your city? Both are ‘censorship’ but don’t seem remotely equivalent to me.

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Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by vcryan »

I used to use GLM before I knew about coding subscriptions and it was okay. I've tried every version since 4.6 and this one is doing a great job a spec-implementation runner. If I had to guess... somewhere between Sonnet and Opus in terms of quality. Z.ai's issue has been service reliability. So far so good on day one.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by b3ing »

thewebguyd wrote: post #87
khalic wrote: post #61

Given the US government’s latest stunt with Fable, this is looking more and more like the future. Can’t rely on strategic products if they’re gated by capricious actors. Open weight models are basically immune to that

> Open weight models are basically immune to that Somewhat. The US Gov can make it illegal to transact with, download, use, etc. foreign open weight models. Of course, enforcement will be difficult for individuals (businesses will comply by default, and they would all be pulled off Github and other US based hosting locations if they went the sanctions route). But, we are also quickly going down the road of frightenin…

Just like we can’t allow Chinese EVs in the USA, because we can’t and don’t want to compete.

VPN usage would go up, to get the banned models.

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