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Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore Story (2023)

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Re: Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore Story (2023)

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Post by andrewflnr »

JimDabell wrote: post #137
jdw64 wrote: post #92

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Maybe it would be better to use an AI translator. Because GPT has AI memory features, right? So when it translates, it often doesn't include hyphens or em dashes. But if you use a Korean translator, it has a function to attach hyphens to the language (kind of like Google Translate). In Korea, it's not that difficult to input an em dash because you can type it using 'ㄱ + chinese characterbutton' (both based on the Kor…

> I had no idea that typing an em dash is difficult overseas. It’s not. On Apple platforms, you can type two hyphens in a row and let the default text replacement convert it; or you can hold down the hyphen and pick from hyphen, en dash, or em dash; or you can press Option-Shift-Hyphen. I think it’s about as easy on other platforms as well. Don’t listen to them. The em dash is not some obscure punctuation nobody but…

Dude, I'm well aware it's real punctuation, but it is obscure and rarely used outside formal settings. I'm just explaining why the perception exists.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore Story (2023)

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Post by andrewflnr »

jdw64 wrote: post #92
andrewflnr wrote: post #87

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It's entirely because it's one of the more obvious tells of AI writing. Most keyboards don't have an easy way to enter an em-dash, so they haven't been part of casual conversation for... decades I guess. AI has no such restrictions, and is trained on formal writing, so it uses them commonly. Similar but less strongly for semicolons. Most people just don't know how to use them. Regardless of whether you're using AI (p…

Maybe it would be better to use an AI translator. Because GPT has AI memory features, right? So when it translates, it often doesn't include hyphens or em dashes. But if you use a Korean translator, it has a function to attach hyphens to the language (kind of like Google Translate). In Korea, it's not that difficult to input an em dash because you can type it using 'ㄱ + chinese characterbutton' (both based on the Kor…

Be careful with machine translators, especially recent LLM-based ones. But if you're using em-dashes intentionally, because you know what they're for, tell anyone who grumps at you to stuff it.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore Story (2023)

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Post by defrost »

Dig1t wrote: post #184
m_a_g wrote: post #20

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> but other races always give their own race an unjust preference That’s just plain ignorant. And citation needed.

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An example from the US doesn't counter many examples from the British colonial days of ranking various racial and ethnic groups over and under each other.

eg: “Bravest of the brave, most generous of the generous, never had country more faithful friends than you”.

~ Sir Ralph Turner, writing about Gurkhas

Re: Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore Story (2023)

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Post by teleforce »

rayiner wrote: post #177
teleforce wrote: post #165

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> I wonder what's the responsibility of various factors behind their success. Is it mainly the people? Strategic location? Great governance and policies? It's mainly its strategic location and it's always been the the busiest maritime route chokepoint since recorded history between east and west, specifically between India and China two of the most populous nations in the world. It sit right at the tip of the Strait…

> Essentially, you must have be a bone-headed to screw up Singapore The place that is now Singapore had less than 1,000 people when Raffles got there. So what happened? There’s lots of places with strategic locations or natural resources or such advantages. The U.S. has the largest contiguous stretch of fertile land connected to one of the largest navigable river systems in the world. But the north american indians d…

Need to check the veracity of this 1000 population claim by the master colonial no less.

The British took over Malaya from Dutch with minimum effort, by exchanging some of their Indonesia colonies after an agreement with another colonial power. Fun facts, that's how Batam Islands got under Indonesia.

The first thing they did was to create Strait Settlements with strategic and rich Malayan States including Penang, Malacca and Singapore, definitely any of these was not an obscure fishing village [1]. These are the major trading ports for Asian major empires including Langkasuka, Srivijaya, Majapahit, Chola, Malaccan Sultanate, etc.

[1] Straits Settlements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straits_Settlements

Re: Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore Story (2023)

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Post by SanjayMehta »

hirako2000 wrote: post #157
SanjayMehta wrote: post #57

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The most amusing part of Malaysia's discrimination is in the term "bhumiputra," which is Sanskrit for "son of the soil," but today it's used for Malay muslim. All these lands were Dharmic originally, all the way to Japan, before the various cults arrived.

Just look historicaly. Sorry of you feel entitled to whatever land.

I don't feel entitled to anything. I'm just pointing out facts. You reveal more about your mindset with your comments. And your downvotes.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore Story (2023)

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Post by teleforce »

freewestpapua wrote: post #176
teleforce wrote: post #151

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>Earlier you claimed 'originally settled by Malays' now you're saying Malays inter-married with the actual indigenous population. I said what you have quoted of me previously: "The people who originally settled in the Malay Archipelago several thousands years ago were successful maritime explorers." >you started talking about 'land grab by Chinese immigrants in Singapore' which is unrelated to the claims you original…

> "The people who originally settled in the Malay Archipelago several thousands years ago were successful maritime explorers." You are again attempting to claim that 'Malays' or perhaps you're trying to imply 'Austronesians' are the first people to populate Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Papua. I think it isn't possible to have a useful conversation if you are repeating that falsehood. That's the exact equivalent…

> What is happening in West Papua is horrific

I'm not sure what happened in West Papua but need to check that out, but what happened in Champa to Cham Malay people is even worst, they totally lost their country they resided for thousands of years to the north Vietnamese people, and being displaced to other countries like Malaysia, Cambodia, Thailand, etc while only very small minority still in Vietnam.

>You are again attempting to claim that 'Malays' or perhaps you're trying to imply 'Austronesians' are the first people to populate Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Papua. I think it isn't possible to have a useful conversation if you are repeating that falsehood.

IMHO, it's quite easy to settle this deadlock, get the original people of Hawaii Polynesia and Palau Micronesia for examples, to be properly tested on genetic ancestorial tracing to check whether they are partly decendent of the Perak Man community who originally settled in Malay Archipelago. As I've mentioned to you it's most probably inter-married but until then we can only guess.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore Story (2023)

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Post by defrost »

teleforce wrote: post #188
freewestpapua wrote: post #176

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> "The people who originally settled in the Malay Archipelago several thousands years ago were successful maritime explorers." You are again attempting to claim that 'Malays' or perhaps you're trying to imply 'Austronesians' are the first people to populate Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Papua. I think it isn't possible to have a useful conversation if you are repeating that falsehood. That's the exact equivalent…

> What is happening in West Papua is horrific I'm not sure what happened in West Papua but need to check that out, but what happened in Champa to Cham Malay people is even worst, they totally lost their country they resided for thousands of years to the north Vietnamese people, and being displaced to other countries like Malaysia, Cambodia, Thailand, etc while only very small minority still in Vietnam. >You are again…

> I'm not sure what happened in West Papua

  “In 1969, in an event referred to by Indonesia as the ‘Act of Free Choice’ (Perpera), 1,022 delegates appointed by the Indonesian government to represent all the people of Irian Jaya "voted' to become formally part of the Indonesian Republic”
Here "Free Choice" equates to under threat of death and torture to individuals and their family members. What followed was a UN sanctioned brutal boot on neck resource grab by the Javanese on behalf of western resource companies.

https://awpaadelaide.com/ likely has more details, as would wikipedia etc.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore Story (2023)

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Post by infecto »

nerdsniper wrote: post #161
kardianos wrote: post #138

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Lee had a dedication to results, not ideology. Survival is not right; survival must be earned. They explicitly avoid multi-culturalsim and groom technically competent, detail oriented bureaucrats and politicians. In other words, they view reality as real and consequential, and they do what works and take the next step.

Did I misread your thesis? It seemed like your strongest argument is “survival must be earned” and your most immediate claim to this is that “Singapore avoids multiculturalism.” And then you kind of go on to imply that because they avoid being multicultural they instead are detail oriented and technically competent. A lack of multiculturalism seems…like a very very nonsensical claim to make about Singapore. Its one o…

It definitely is not nonsensical for anyone with experience in Singapore.
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