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Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Reminds me of all the recruiters who reach out to me saying they're working on filling some engineer position but never say the company name, and when asked, they want to have a call. Stop wasting my time, STATE THE COMPANY UPFRONT AND AT THE TOP, preferably in the subject line

This is not in the recruiter's interest though, because you may just go past them and apply to the company directly, so they miss out on their revenue. I love picking apart a recruiter's emails, in a handful of cases I see the advert and I'm like "Oh yeah I used to work there". Go and React in a telecom company in NL near where I live? Yeah I set that up. No I don't want to go back, not unless they hire an actual tea…

Every recruiter I have dealt with (on the hiring side) has had a provision in the contract: if they have a documented exchange with a candidate whom we hire during or within (a month, two months...) of the contract end, the recruiter is deemed to have done the work. Contrarily, if we have a documented exchange with a candidate before the recruiter does, the recruiter is not owed anything.

So: the recruiter has an incentive to mention the hiring company as soon as they get a response from you.

If they don't do that, they are either bad at writing contracts or don't actually have authority to recruit. Mostly the second: you would not be surprised at the number of cold emails I get saying that they represent a candidate (or a pool of candidates) who are exactly right for the position that we filled last month.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

#185

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You sound like a candidate for asylum? Despite the administration policy, asylum law is still on the books. Might be good to get an application in and cross your fingers for a subsequently more friendly admin.

Based on Ilia's post on the "Who's wants to be hired?" thread, he's currently based in Portugal.

I am, yes. As I said, I am aware of my privilege and even though I might technically theoretically be a valid asylum case It would feel like abusing a system designed to help people in actual dire need. So even though I am more than willing to relocate, I would definitely NOT do that through the asylum process.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

#186

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Does that happen?? I’ve always been curious how those things go down

They say they're a software developer from a poor country looking for someone willing to leave their laptop on overnight for a 50% split of the paycheck. I got one a long time ago, they even mentioned they need help because their can't do the work from an IP of their country. Needless to say I just trashed the email and only figured out it was one of those after reading about the NK employee scandal on here.

They're mostly harmless residential VPN stuff so people in wherever can pretend to be an American to Netflix or whatever.

The actually "crimey" stuff is the minority. If it weren't it'd be too easy to crack down on. Same math as laundering through a real business.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

#187
I got an email yesterday morning that sounded like a lead. The usual, "we're impressed by your profile, would like to talk about an opportunity, blah blah blah"

Scheduled a meeting, expecting a recruiter call. Got a salesman trying to pitch me an automated application service, that charges $50 per application and something like 10 weeks salary on placement

Told the guy to pound sand

Another company that does this is ladders. You'll see a posting, use it to apply, and then they'll black hole responses to your application unless you pay up. They'll also spam the ever loving shit out of your inbox

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

#189

My email is filled with junk from cybersecurity "experts" telling me that my open source project is "very compromised" and that they will gladly reveal to me what the issue is, if I commit to paying them a bug bounty. I get at least a few every week. I hate them, but I feel like we are well past the point where in any place where there is money to be made, the majority of cold outreach will be from semi-personalized…

Reason #176 to not be an open source maintainer.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

#190

The internet will always be a potentially unfriendly place and you need to accept that instead of expecting it to magically change because spammers hurt your feelings. You mention that you are an entrepreneur as well, which makes me believe that you need to learn how to overcome your fear of rejection. Check out the book "Rejection Proof" by Jia Jiang.

Maybe a bit of fear of rejection is nice on second thought. Particularly if you're being rejected due to being an asshole.
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