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The Pirate Bay Remains Resilient, 20 Years After the Raid

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Re: The Pirate Bay Remains Resilient, 20 Years After the Raid

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Post by Lalabadie »

toyg wrote: post #78
Waterluvian wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it is the difference between art and product. A show like The Simpsons is both. The viewers care about the art, and we tolerate the product to get it. The creators are creating art, compromising with the corporation and broadcaster to make it enough of a product. But the corp/broadcaster only care about the product. The art is the chocolate around the advertising pill. So when the product-minded people control…

The terminology is art vs content . Anybody talking about "content", by definition, do not actually care about what that content is, just that it is contained into something they charge for.

Your point is valid (and I make a similar one frequently), but it doesn't gain from being presented as good term vs bad term use. It's the context that makes it pejorative.

In the context of advertisers, content is just what you deliver for a price (Netflix, Disney), or against which you slap advertising (Youtube). You want more of it so you can charge more, and care little what fills this content pipeline.

Re: The Pirate Bay Remains Resilient, 20 Years After the Raid

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Post by the_af »

cwillu wrote: post #179
the_af wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

User toyg is using the same definition than Richard Stallman (I tried to find the relevant essay but can't; I just remember RMS also pushed back against "content"). Toyg is not making up a new line of thought, this has been argued before. Not only by Stallman, either, this dislike for the term "content" is also espoused by some here on HN (and I agree, to be clear). I think it goes beyond latching on the dictionary d…

If they said “platform owners” I'd give them credit for that, but they didn't; they said “anyone”.

Context matters.

Also, "platform owners" (or advertisers, as another comment puts it) managed to install this term and so most of us use it, so it's no longer just platform owners. Which is why RMS railed against it.

Re: The Pirate Bay Remains Resilient, 20 Years After the Raid

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Post by echelon_musk »

triceratops wrote: post #47
doublerabbit wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most recent example - I was watching Malcolm in the Middle on Disney+ with my girlfriend, and we found that there are entire audio tracks missing in multiple episodes. The licenses for the song tracks have also expired; so they removed these too. The main noticeable difference is being the intro sequence originally sung by There Might be Giants which has been replaced with a less-impressive cover that ruins the vib…

> That's because the license for the tracks expired They're talking about pieces of dialogue in the show, not licensed music.

If they're shouting at neighbours through a wall I'd be willing to bet that the dialogue is happening because of loud copyrighted music being played at the same time. They probably just did some automated music detection and cut the whole audio track in those sections.

Edit: I lost the bet and there's no notable music involved: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pu8-dxRkoTI

Re: The Pirate Bay Remains Resilient, 20 Years After the Raid

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Post by the_af »

cwillu wrote: post #180
the_af wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be violently agreeing with the parent commenter. What you're saying matches their definition.

No, it doesn't. You get good at something by doing it a lot, consistently; it's basically rule 1 of learning any artform.

This still doesn't contradict the framing of "art vs content".

Re: The Pirate Bay Remains Resilient, 20 Years After the Raid

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Post by salad-tycoon »

IanCal wrote: post #85
cheeze wrote: post #64

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While I agree with you in spirit... were you expecting that you could... burn the film to a DVD or something? Of course buying a movie on itunes means you can only watch it on capable devices. You can't play a youtube video on a VHS player either.

While I agree it seems obvious you can’t do that, based on how these platforms have limited things for a long time… but that really should be something you can do. Why can’t I get the file and put it on another device? Why can’t I burn it to a dvd? It makes sense that Apple aren’t required to make more software for random devices, but why can’t I have the file and do what I want with it?

You’re absolutely right. If it was a song from iTunes you bought you sure as hell could burn it on a dvd or cd or whatever. (Right? It’s been a long time.) So if I buy a movie why can’t I archive it on a DVD?

Re: The Pirate Bay Remains Resilient, 20 Years After the Raid

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Post by system2 »

yieldcrv wrote: post #94

All the best stuff doesn’t get licensed by streaming services at all Entire generations of people have no idea something exists

Yandex is the best search engine. Sites like Fmovies or moviesjoy include nearly everything. I couldn't find the Monty Python series, but Yandex's first results were ready to play it for me in seconds.

Re: The Pirate Bay Remains Resilient, 20 Years After the Raid

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Post by esskay »

dmos62 wrote: post #25
tokai wrote: post #20

The pirate bay raid is a good example of the kind of soft power the US has lost with their recent behavior. Hard to imagine Stockholm police being as receptive nowadays. edit: I'm very sorry for making a relevant comment that extrapolate on the content of the shared article.

Paradoxically, it's also a good example of the kind of soft power the US still has: we're all watching their movies.

"Their movies"

Meanwhile a huge portion of them are filmed in other countries, edited by brits, staring europeans, etc.

There's a good reason major studios have spent billions on film studios in the UK instead of the US.

Take something like Andor. Filmed in the UK and Spain, with a team of staff almost exclusively from the UK and EU. With a Mexican lead actor, 1 American co-lead, and then tons of British Actors, a few Australians, Swedish, German, Irish, etc.

Very few big movies or tv shows can be classed as "American" these days. They require people and facilities from all over the place.

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #59
jjulius wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to go off on a complete tangent, but... >... like the infamous Duff Beer joke being out of frame in The Simpsons. My collection of The Simpsons, seasons 1-13, are all TV rips from waaaaayyyyy back in the 00's. Sure, it's not super high-quality, but at least they don't look like the ugly remasters (on some of the ones I've tried watching on Disney+, they look like someone's drawn over the old cells), the aspect ra…

To me it is the difference between art and product. A show like The Simpsons is both. The viewers care about the art, and we tolerate the product to get it. The creators are creating art, compromising with the corporation and broadcaster to make it enough of a product. But the corp/broadcaster only care about the product. The art is the chocolate around the advertising pill. So when the product-minded people control…

Same with Beavis and Butthead with all its music videos, it seems like it cant be properly released with alm that intact so its up to King Turd to do the dirty work and make it avaikable to all

Re: The Pirate Bay Remains Resilient, 20 Years After the Raid

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Post by nitwit005 »

dmos62 wrote: post #25
tokai wrote: post #20

The pirate bay raid is a good example of the kind of soft power the US has lost with their recent behavior. Hard to imagine Stockholm police being as receptive nowadays. edit: I'm very sorry for making a relevant comment that extrapolate on the content of the shared article.

Paradoxically, it's also a good example of the kind of soft power the US still has: we're all watching their movies.

You can always ruin your advantages. People seem to currently like a lot of US culture and dislike the US (or, it's government at least).

Re: The Pirate Bay Remains Resilient, 20 Years After the Raid

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Post by mathgeek »

t-3 wrote: post #167
cheeze wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with you in spirit... were you expecting that you could... burn the film to a DVD or something? Of course buying a movie on itunes means you can only watch it on capable devices. You can't play a youtube video on a VHS player either.

Actually there were some DVD players back in the day that could play digital files burned to DVD or CD, and it was totally possible to burn DVDs that could play normally on most players from video files.

Ah yes, the divx that wasn’t self-destructing discs.
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