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WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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Post by danielbln »

Carioca wrote: post #165
jmclnx wrote: post #162

I am sure China is loving what the US/Trump is doing. Already China is about to take the lead in medical research and I think it is ahead in renewable energy. With this, I guess the US will end up as a third rate country much quicker.

A friend in a prestigious European university said that applications were up in basically all fields

Berlin "boutique" tech consultancy, we are seeing a noticable increase in Israeli and US engineers into our hiring pipeline. The braindrain from the autocratic countries is real.

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Post by xtiansimon »

> “The document would also ban…block spending on things like publishing papers and attending conferences.”

This is not just picking which ideas the government supports. This sounds like it’s taking all the “fun” out of having grant funding.

Sure, that’s a flip remark, but doesn’t this have a similar sense of arguments against other government funded programs?

~SNAP food assistance is raising food prices~ [1] or ~SNAP food assistance is my tax dollars going towards anyone who says they’re hungry.~ [2]

And don’t forget to mention the replication crisis.

~Public funded grants let scientists go to parties and publish junk science.~

The cynical would argue it’s proof the scientific community is filled with charlatans milking a system that can’t police itself.

[1]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYNZT43R705/

[2]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DY2k2MNxf97/

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Post by b65e8bee43c2ed0 »

tempodox wrote: post #163

If you want to stay a scientist, you have to emigrate. The art of continually licking the right asses to keep funding going is not science.

I don't think China needs the kind of scientists disproportionately affected by the bad orange man's vendetta.

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Post by footy »

gwerbin wrote: post #174
NordStreamYacht wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Win win for Europe and the USA, both get what they want.

I think most Americans, if polled, would prefer to be the global hub of scientific research, instead of an isolated silo of research that only follows a politically approved agenda.

They were polled, on election day. Most Americans want this, or didn't care enough to stop it. Potato, potahto.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

jmclnx wrote: post #162

I am sure China is loving what the US/Trump is doing. Already China is about to take the lead in medical research and I think it is ahead in renewable energy. With this, I guess the US will end up as a third rate country much quicker.

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Post by throw0101c »

Jerry2 wrote: post #176
tempodox wrote: post #163

If you want to stay a scientist, you have to emigrate. The art of continually licking the right asses to keep funding going is not science.

Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? US grants are the biggest and most generous in the world. I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that. Other option is China but as a foreigner, you will never get a grant there unless you work for someone else.

> Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research?

If the choice is between $0 in the US and >$0 someplace else, you emigrate to >$0 if you want to continue your research.

Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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Post by Macha »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #183
tempodox wrote: post #163

If you want to stay a scientist, you have to emigrate. The art of continually licking the right asses to keep funding going is not science.

I don't think China needs the kind of scientists disproportionately affected by the bad orange man's vendetta.

Well if they want to stop all improvements to their electric car industry that is letting them out compete European, Japanese and US manufacturers, solar panels have clearly not been important to them, and their rocket programs don’t need anyone working on transfer orbits and god forbid anyone describes the materials they test as “diverse”…

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Post by sseagull »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #183
tempodox wrote: post #163

If you want to stay a scientist, you have to emigrate. The art of continually licking the right asses to keep funding going is not science.

I don't think China needs the kind of scientists disproportionately affected by the bad orange man's vendetta.

The chaos is affecting pretty much all areas of science, not just the controversial ones. I work in non-controversial, pretty run-of-the-mill chemistry research and the attacks on the NSF have certainly impacted our funding situation. Very long delays in proposal review, complete pivoting to AI, etc. I have co-workers panicking over the green card changes. And the overall morale is pretty grim everywhere.

Edit: don’t forget how he’s forcing NSF headquarters to move. All the NSF, not just the “bad” research.

Almost everyone has entertained the idea of leaving the US for more stability, which is required for research.

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