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Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Like your favorite lamp.

Isn't Airbnb 99% commercial nowadays? Who would leave their fav lamp in there?

Most airbnbs have completely uninspired interior decoration but I had a great one that I'll always remember for having really unique lighting (lots of layers and textures)

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Looks to me like they want to get in on 3D mapping homes that haven't already been mapped by a Roomba or other similar bot. There is plenty of money to be made selling home layouts to police. At the same time the customer's home is being cleaned, all objects can be scanned to data-mine the customer's shopping preferences. Maybe training AI and bots is part of what they're trying to accomplish, but I just can't help w…

This sounds like a decent deal for the segment of customers who are happy to have their shopping preferences mapped (which seems to be almost all) and don’t care if a 3rd party has their home layout.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Looks to me like they want to get in on 3D mapping homes that haven't already been mapped by a Roomba or other similar bot. There is plenty of money to be made selling home layouts to police. At the same time the customer's home is being cleaned, all objects can be scanned to data-mine the customer's shopping preferences. Maybe training AI and bots is part of what they're trying to accomplish, but I just can't help w…

Yeah, definitely. On one hand it's obvious such companies will want this data precisely to make their systems work. On the other hand... once they have the data, we all know it also ends up wherever someone is willing to pay for it. Even if they say it's not the goal today... 10 years from now how do you know the owner of the data at that point will feel the same way? Doubly so since they don't seem to be making any privacy guarantees around the pricing, just attempts at anonymizing the high level things.

I find it interesting how many people get worked up about the "skilled/unskilled" terminology though. Just walking to arbitrary waypoints is an extraordinary feet in itself - if you dropped me in the past and told me to build something which walks (or even just traverses) as such I would likely not achieve it in my lifetime, despite having great insight into how we've already accomplished this goal. At the same time, people know listing "mastered the ability to walk as a child, proficient in running" in the skills section of their resume does not make sense. It seems easy enough to understand the difference in meaning between the two contexts (skills an average human is expected to have over, say, a rock vs skills which differentiate one as able to start a job without waiting for several years of additional development) rather than seek to pick the least relevant interpretation.

OTOH, there are definitely jobs which get conflated as having a low barrier to entry (for the average person) but actually take many years of training to be able to get a typical job in (and not just for the "high end" version of the job). That's definitely a misclassification, but not for something like cleaning homes where the average person is expected to be able to do it themselves.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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post #11

Better this than the Bot Company, which has been apparently renting out AirBnBs for robot testing and leaving them trashed: https://sfstandard.com/2026/05/28/sf-startup-secretly-testin...

I think I’m happy for some privacy abuse oriented startup and an Airbnb landlord screwing each other. It seems like a good thing for the world.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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post #70

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Could be a greedy landlord, but they did turn off his security cameras, so I'm giving him the benefit of doubt for now.

Security cameras inside an apartment for rent, what is essentially a hotel room? Is this common?

Nothing in the article says the cameras are inside.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

#187

Looks to me like they want to get in on 3D mapping homes that haven't already been mapped by a Roomba or other similar bot. There is plenty of money to be made selling home layouts to police. At the same time the customer's home is being cleaned, all objects can be scanned to data-mine the customer's shopping preferences. Maybe training AI and bots is part of what they're trying to accomplish, but I just can't help w…

There is plenty of money to be made selling home layouts to police

Is there?

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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post #63
post #11

Better this than the Bot Company, which has been apparently renting out AirBnBs for robot testing and leaving them trashed: https://sfstandard.com/2026/05/28/sf-startup-secretly-testin...

Move fast, break things

I want this as a setting in my future cleaning robots.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

#189

Looks to me like they want to get in on 3D mapping homes that haven't already been mapped by a Roomba or other similar bot. There is plenty of money to be made selling home layouts to police. At the same time the customer's home is being cleaned, all objects can be scanned to data-mine the customer's shopping preferences. Maybe training AI and bots is part of what they're trying to accomplish, but I just can't help w…

This sounds like a decent deal for the segment of customers who are happy to have their shopping preferences mapped (which seems to be almost all) and don’t care if a 3rd party has their home layout.

My home layout was approved by the local council, and is freely available for anyone to see. I get personal belongings, but who cares about home layout?
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