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Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by pwagland »

haritha-j wrote: post #146
Gigachad wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also surprising how little money is being made. If I was buying a new car and there was an option where I could pay 61 cents for the privacy respecting version, it would be a no brainer.

That's what really gets me. Wasting an hour of my time is worth a few cents of advertising to instagram. That's how little my time is really worth.

That's the advantage of externalised costs. It doesn't matter how high they are, you don't have to pay them!

You see this in all sorts of places, for example, stealing an EV charging cable. To a thief, a $500 charging station is just $10 worth of copper waiting to be melted down. They don't care about the $490 deficit they left behind because that’s the victim's problem. Social media platforms, and apparently now car manufacturers, look through the exact same lens.

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Post by coldtea »

Frieren wrote: post #108
sfRattan wrote: post #12

With cars, networked computers are encroaching on privacy from two sides: the computers inside the car sharing sensor data and the computers outside the car sharing camera data from known points on the road. Older cars may not have cellular data, and some new cars (e.g. the Slate electric car) may be specifically designed without cellular connections or with easily removable chips, but so much can still be inferred f…

> The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected Let's finish the sentence there. Being spied by corporations 24/7 while we game, watch entertainment, drive, talk with friends, work... it's fucked up. We live in a hell of our own creation and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here.

>only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here.

From the same goverments that want more state surveillance and even buy the private profile data from data brokers?

Only a new ...revolution would get us out of here...

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by coldtea »

kakacik wrote: post #143
verisimi wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's finish that thought too. You're asking for new legislation written by governments that a/ want that data to spy on you too and b/ are lobbied by corporations to write the legislation corps want. It's a closed loop of crap, that goes in one direction only.

No worries, next generation won't even understand what we are blabbing about. Look at that cute cat video! Privacy what? Oh that puppy is rolling on his back!

Next generations (plural) already doesn't.

The last generation that cared about this in any big way were the Xers (and close to X-er boomers) circa 1990s.

And even them, not enough, and not as a majority. But at least many techies back then did.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by cogogo »

montroser wrote: post #179
sfRattan wrote: post #12

With cars, networked computers are encroaching on privacy from two sides: the computers inside the car sharing sensor data and the computers outside the car sharing camera data from known points on the road. Older cars may not have cellular data, and some new cars (e.g. the Slate electric car) may be specifically designed without cellular connections or with easily removable chips, but so much can still be inferred f…

Slate is just some renderings though, right? Is there anything actually real about it more than just marketing?

Happen to be on their email list. They are taking orders soon and announcing pricing on 6/24. Initial delivery expected toward the end of the year.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by embedding-shape »

coldtea wrote: post #183
Frieren wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected Let's finish the sentence there. Being spied by corporations 24/7 while we game, watch entertainment, drive, talk with friends, work... it's fucked up. We live in a hell of our own creation and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here.

> only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here. From the same goverments that want more state surveillance and even buy the private profile data from data brokers? Only a new ...revolution would get us out of here...

> From the same goverments

As alluded to, it doesn't have to :) The French are currently on their fifth iteration of "the government", and we're bound to get a new iteration hopefully soon! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Fifth_Republic

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by DanielHB »

sfRattan wrote: post #12

With cars, networked computers are encroaching on privacy from two sides: the computers inside the car sharing sensor data and the computers outside the car sharing camera data from known points on the road. Older cars may not have cellular data, and some new cars (e.g. the Slate electric car) may be specifically designed without cellular connections or with easily removable chips, but so much can still be inferred f…

It is scary to think how cheap this tech is getting, so semi-expensive things like fridges and TVs will start to come with built-in mobile connections and be always online even if you don't connect them.

With mesh networks it is even scarier, I wouldn't be surprised that at some point even if you don't connect a device like a smart lamp, it might still be sending data about its usage using your neighbors hub.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by amelius »

vannevar wrote: post #23

Every corporation is trying to spy on you. Why wouldn't they? There is no real punishment, and large reward. As long as that is true, superficial regulations around tracking will always be circumvented or hollowed out. We need fundamental change in the way corporations interact with society, and in what is expected of them.

My bank somehow isn't selling my transaction data to the highest bidder though.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by noir_lord »

Frieren wrote: post #108
sfRattan wrote: post #12

With cars, networked computers are encroaching on privacy from two sides: the computers inside the car sharing sensor data and the computers outside the car sharing camera data from known points on the road. Older cars may not have cellular data, and some new cars (e.g. the Slate electric car) may be specifically designed without cellular connections or with easily removable chips, but so much can still be inferred f…

> The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected Let's finish the sentence there. Being spied by corporations 24/7 while we game, watch entertainment, drive, talk with friends, work... it's fucked up. We live in a hell of our own creation and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here.

It's also akin to Roko's basilisk's - the people who don't realise how pervasive and invasive it has become seem the happiest while the ones like us who've often been around computers since the 80's and just watched our society sleep walk into it feel the worst.

That many of us then end up working for the companies doing it makes for a bad feeling across the industry.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by coldtea »

cogogo wrote: post #180
bflesch wrote: post #165

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Once your intergenerational wealth is offshore you can pick any of your nepo offspring and make them a hollywood star or unicorn startup CEO with a clean wikipedia page. Their wealth is also tied to national security jobs, because those make you immune in front of the law plus you have the benefit of constructing identities (and death certificates) out of thin air. For example very rich people in the US receive vanit…

“Leet Babe” is not even the right number of letters. Doesn’t seem like “leet” would even be in her generation’s vocabulary. Are you trolling? Very rich get vanity numbers? Where is there evidence of that?

Bothered to check it? It's not literally the letters "leet babe", it's in "leetspeak" as the parent said:

"Ghislaine Maxwell's Social Security Number (133-78-4883) is recorded in U.S. law enforcement documents, such as historical NYPD files, as part of her official identification and background records".

1337 84883 --> LEET BABBE in leetspeak.

It's a stretch, but to be fair, apparently they already had no problem getting visas and other documents with 3-4 variations of their names (to make database lookup more difficult)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

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