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Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

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Re: Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

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> So no you can't just spin up a bunch of LLCs to rig an election… Sure you can. You just have to sell them some land as part of it.

Land is bought and sold in government-regulated parcels. You can't just split up an acre of land into square foot plots and sell them.

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Re: Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

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The problem with companies being treated like people is that they are only afforded the -good- aspects and not the -bad- ones. This is an out for the rich to become 'more equal' by owning companies and having expanded rights that the average person doesn't. If this is really just a delegation of rights then fine. One vote, one person that is actually eligible, and not by right of them owning that company, for that vote explicitly delegates that one instance of that right. Same with campaign finance and all the other 'good parts' companies are getting without the bad parts. If these companies really are people then why aren't they actually being thrown in jail when they commit crimes? Why aren't they on death row when they kill people for money? Rights without responsibility and repercussions is tyranny since -some actual person- is now forced to feel that responsibility and the repercussions that this company pushed off.

Re: Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

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post #72

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Which makes sense... why should anyone get a say in the local matters of a place they don't even live in?

Because you have a vested interest in the success of that region by owning land (and a business) at that location. You have skin in the game compared to someone who is just renting and can easily flee to a different city if they vote poorly.

>renting and can easily flee to a different city if they vote poorly.

Nitpick:

I think you're correct that the problem is people who do selfish shortsighted things and leave others holding the bag but I think you are blaming the wrong people.

Pretty much everyone from Marx to MLK to Rand and Sowell identifies somme sort of class of "comfortable enough to meddle in things to further their self interest at everyone else's detriment" demographics as the root of a whole bunch of bad stuff.

In most municipalities middle class who are too tied into the place (often through home ownership) to just get out that provide the bulk of the political will to do short sighted "feels good" stuff that solves some minor problem they have but screws the whole place on a 20-50yr timeline (by which time the individuals responsible will have retired and cashed out to Idaho or Florida or whatever).

Re: Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

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post #25

I don’t understand why people have so much trouble understanding that a “corporation” is just a proxy for the humans that own and control the corporation. In this case, non-residents who own a house on the island can vote according to the charter. The charter just says that this doesn’t change because you move ownership of the house into a legal entity that some human then owns and controls. The actual grievance seem…

Setting aside the corporation part, is there precedent for allowing people to vote in multiple residences? In my experience, when you register to vote in one location you are no longer allowed to vote where you were previously registered, regardless of how many places you own houses. Some places cross-reference voter registrations to enforce this, and others don't really check, but it has been the rule everywhere I have lived.

Re: Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So no you can't just spin up a bunch of LLCs to rig an election… Sure you can. You just have to sell them some land as part of it.

Land is bought and sold in government-regulated parcels. You can't just split up an acre of land into square foot plots and sell them.

Why not? Isn't it fundamentally the same idea as apartment complex tenets getting votes? Why couldn't a business sell off lockers to companies giving them voting access? Walk in Closets? Very small room apartments? What's the minimum size of real-estate needed?

Re: Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

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No. Per the ruling: > Where a voter is entitled to vote by virtue of being both a resident and as an owner of real property, that voter shall be entitled to only one vote; where a voter is entitled to vote by ownership of two or more parcels of real property, that voter shall be entitled to only one vote. However, that seems to get messy with multi-owner LLCs where you might give 1% of each LLC to a bunch of your bud…

The POA is to vote as a proxy for the entity. The entity gets one vote. Not one vote per shareholder.

If you’re a shareholder in 5 companies, each owning 2 parcels of land, each with their own PoA, and you yourself hold land — then you have “influence” into 6 votes, though only direct ownership of 1 vote

Re: Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

#187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So no you can't just spin up a bunch of LLCs to rig an election… Sure you can. You just have to sell them some land as part of it.

Land is bought and sold in government-regulated parcels. You can't just split up an acre of land into square foot plots and sell them.

You can't just split up an acre of land into square foot plots and sell them, so far.

Re: Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

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post #12

It's specifically about corporations that own property in a specific town voting. So no you can't just spin up a bunch of LLCs to rig an election, this is about the rights of absentee landlords.

> So no you can't just spin up a bunch of LLCs to rig an election… Sure you can. You just have to sell them some land as part of it.

say I partitipate in .. 8 businesses in the district, and all of them are independent corporate entities that own the land they operate on. and each of them has multiple owners. I have some influence in the vote of all of these companies, and maybe we can even assume that most of the owners have similar views on things like property taxes in districts they don't reside in.

how many votes in that district do I have?

Re: Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So no you can't just spin up a bunch of LLCs to rig an election… Sure you can. You just have to sell them some land as part of it.

Land is bought and sold in government-regulated parcels. You can't just split up an acre of land into square foot plots and sell them.

Yes, you can. The county does not appear to be registered land (Torrens title) where the Registry would have some say in whether a transfer is valid. So you can straightforwardly hire a surveyor to draw up a plot plan with many square foot chunks, and then execute and record a different deed for each of them.

Re: Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

#190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So no you can't just spin up a bunch of LLCs to rig an election… Sure you can. You just have to sell them some land as part of it.

Land is bought and sold in government-regulated parcels. You can't just split up an acre of land into square foot plots and sell them.

Lets be armchair evil for a sec...

What is the smallest subplot you can split a parcel into?

And are we talking literally land, or would condo ownership suffice? (After all, you typically stack a few condos on top of one parcel of land). The smallest condo is probably dictated by some pesky human habitability rules, but what class of property has the fewest minimum-square-footage zoning rules? Retail probably has egress rules, but what about industrial spaces?

Could you create an industrial park to house a bunch of, to use a rough metaphor, independently-owned/independently-operated phone booths (or whatever other "qualifying use")?

Basically is there a category of land-use you could split ownership off at ridiculous scale, offer LLC-as-a-service to buy a bunch of them, and just for fun, tokenize the votes to provably aggregate the absentee ballots at scale via blockchain?

If it's one-entity-one-vote, what is the most cost-effective way to maximize the number of qualifying entities?

Bonus points for every order of magnitude of synthetic votes you can reasonably achieve over the fleshy variety.

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