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Is "colorectal cancer" rising in "young people"?

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Re: Is "colorectal cancer" rising in "young people"?

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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9924026/ Though I regurgitate this information based off conversations with gastroenterologists not one off studies.

You claimed that "polyp will very likely eventually become cancer". I don't think this is true, in general, for polyps even though some might become cancerous. The paper you provided is pretty dense, but it didn't see to me as though it is saying that polyps generally become cancerous.

It's an internet forum, I didn't claim anything. And your doctor isn't going to first biopsy just a little bit of a polyp to determine if it's the "bad" kind, he's going to remove all of it.

It's annoying pedantry, a distinction without a difference.

Re: Is "colorectal cancer" rising in "young people"?

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> “Hey! CRC is going up! You should get screened!” Try asking a doctor for asymptomatic screening (for anything), they usually say "There's a schedule for such screenings at age X, you're too young for that. There's also proven negative effects of excessive screenings." Which kinda makes sense, as they supposed to have protocols/schedules for all kinds of healthcare. We're talking here about changing that protocols/s…

This. In my 40s I asked my doc what I should get screened for and when. He said to wait until 50. Now I wait here on death row with stage 4 colorectal cancer.

> In my 40s I asked my doc what I should get screened for and when. He said to wait until 50.

What did you want your doctor to say, instead?

Re: Is "colorectal cancer" rising in "young people"?

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I've often wondered if colorectal cancer is really on the rise in young people, or are we testing more younger people, which makes it seem like it's on the rise? Hopefully my question makes sense...

Bad diet is on the rise.

Bad food is also on the rise

Re: Is "colorectal cancer" rising in "young people"?

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Risks? The risks of a colonoscopy are crazy low though.

>"Risks? The risks of a colonoscopy are crazy low though." Not at the statistical level. Death rate from complications is about 1 in 10,000: https://www.endoscopy-campus.com/ec-news/risk-of-death-from-...

This is funny. I've had an unbelievable string of bad doctors / clinics... almost as though something is wrong with medical care around here.

Couple of years ago the latest doctor who I fired started talking colonoscopies. I asked some basic questions like how do they get paid? How much do they get paid? Who inspects their facilities?

He took great umbrage at the notion that the doctors were getting "bounties" for nipping pieces of tissue for lab review, refused to discuss that. (Tell me you know something without telling me you know something.) He also took umbrage at the notion that his clinic wasn't "clean" and that it was inspected regularly... didn't say by whom.

So here's the deal. Here in Washington State, USA his clinic gets a "wet work" inspection, just like a slaughterhouse or restaurant, as part of the occupancy / doing business license. But there is no ongoing inspection, and fuck no there is no "safe to eat here" poster in the window of his clinic.

It gets more interesting when you start looking at the datasets an inquiry like that turns up. Like: how many deaths / hospitalizations are there per 1K procedures? Actuarily we have a number. Now clinics, at least the ones doing things on a regular basis, have to report adverse events leading to hospitalization: the reporting rate is impossibly lower than the actuarial rate, complications leading to hospitalization are not being reported. But.. there's more! The State collects "foreign contamination" stats from pathologists; you can look at this by pathologist, if they do enough of them. The majority of pathologists scoring colonoscopy samples report ZERO foreign contamination; among the pathologists actually reporting, the rate for presence of foreign contamination is around 25%.

Re: Is "colorectal cancer" rising in "young people"?

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I've explained why I don't have mayonnaise. Also it was just an example. I avoid it because I can eat more meaningful stuff without bombing my calories and saturated fats stats. The mayonnaise I find in the shops has terrible composition.

There are brands of "mayo" and other products that contain some emulsifying agents that have been observed to deteriorate the mucus membrane in the colon, and that effect is believed to increase the risk of colon cancer. I haven't heard about any risk with the natural emulsifier in egg yolk though.

homemade mayo is one of the easiest things to make if you have a hand blender and wayyyyyy tastier, addictingly so actually

you need some real, strong dijon mustard though, like the kind trader joe's sells for ~$3

in a tall glass or container:

1 raw egg

1 soup spoon dijon

1 soup spoon apple cider vinegar

salt/pepper

a bunch of vegetable oil (about 1.5 cups? eyeball - watch some youtube videos)

blend

don't overblend once it seizes or it can de-emulsify

Re: Is "colorectal cancer" rising in "young people"?

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Had my first colonoscopy 4 months ago, after going for a couple of years with every red flag symptom under the sun. The procedure was a piece of cake. As the standard is where I'm from (Norway), I was only administered some sedatives - but honestly I couldn't feel much difference. I watched the procedure on the screen, which was quite fascinating. The worst part, by far, was the emptying / prepping. A month prior to…

I didn't actually mind the prepping too much personally. Just to be safe I started early to go on the long end of what they suggested with the diet and basically just ate baked, unseasoned chicken for 10 days. Then did the bowel prep; a lot of people hate the drink, but idk. I thought it was fine. Maybe better to assume it will suck though, that way you at least can't be disappointed. > In the end they nothing was fo…

> a lot of people hate the drink, but idk. I thought it was fine.

Aren’t there a lot of different drinks, though (at least 3 or 4)?

E.g. I know Miralax can be an option for some which practically is tasteless.

Re: Is "colorectal cancer" rising in "young people"?

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This. In my 40s I asked my doc what I should get screened for and when. He said to wait until 50. Now I wait here on death row with stage 4 colorectal cancer.

> In my 40s I asked my doc what I should get screened for and when. He said to wait until 50. What did you want your doctor to say, instead?

what do you think? what do you think he's going to say when he has stage 4 cancer?

Re: Is "colorectal cancer" rising in "young people"?

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post #177

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You claimed that "polyp will very likely eventually become cancer". I don't think this is true, in general, for polyps even though some might become cancerous. The paper you provided is pretty dense, but it didn't see to me as though it is saying that polyps generally become cancerous.

It's an internet forum, I didn't claim anything. And your doctor isn't going to first biopsy just a little bit of a polyp to determine if it's the "bad" kind, he's going to remove all of it. It's annoying pedantry, a distinction without a difference.

Oh FFS. The difference between polyps very likely becoming cancer and some polyps maybe becoming cancer is not pedantry. And it probably wouldn't be as annoying to you if you just said that you didn't know instead of attempting to dig deeper by providing a source that you either didn't read or didn't understand.
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