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Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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> even completely disowning the richest 10% of Germans would fund the pension system for less than a decade This is a very naive take that assumes wealth gets turned into pallets of cash and those pallets get fed into a furnace when the cash is spent. None of that is true. Disowning the richest 10% of Germans would be economically disastrous. Levying a 1% wealth tax, payable in the form of assets rather than cash, wo…

My point is that this is not a case of "the rich took all the money so we can no longer pay decent pensions", even stripping "the rich" of everything couldnt prop the system up for long at all. I'm very much in favor of more progressive/capital gains taxation but thats not gonna fix this problem.

> stripping "the rich" of everything couldnt prop the system up for long at all

I'd encourage you to think about what this actually means. When you say "stripping the rich of everything", what do you imagine happens to the factories and labs and patents and copyrights? Do they immediately cease to provide enough food and shelter and clothing for everyone just because they changed hands?

The problem with actually doing it is that this is textbook communism. Communism suffers from low productivity and competitiveness. It leads to or requires totalitarianism. It's a dead-end. We already know this.

> [more taxation]'s not gonna fix this problem.

I didn't say "more taxation". I argued for a different type of tax system altogether. We haven't really tried more taxation. And we definitely haven't tried what I proposed.

"This problem", namely the problem of people having fewer children, has many causes. One of them is that most households need two earners just to stay afloat*. Taking care of kids after a hard day at work for both parents is hard. The current financial incentives for having children don't come close to compensating for this penalty in time/energy/lost wages.

* Obviously there are others: For instance, Netflix is way more fun than cooking dinner only to watch your kids not eat anything.

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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But why ? That would imply a worker 30 years ago produces only as much as a worker today. Which is obviously untrue.

No, it would only imply that the worker/retiree income ratio (and tax/pension burden) are somewhat constant which is arguably the case; german pensions specifically rise with wages and get adjusted for inflation. Productivity gains on the other hand get easily eaten up by increased consumption/expectations, or are overstated to begin with: producing 5 times more TVs/ipads does not make the plumber cheaper (nor a hous…

> german pensions specifically rise with wages

Is that because higher earners make higher contributions to the pension plan?

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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children will massively compromise your lifestyle, not just financially but they require a lot of "labor" from you. this is probably the most important piece of the social contract and if you are breaking it you should be penalized.

children will massively compromise your lifestyle why though? if you feel that way then in my opinion there is something wrong on your expectation of your lifestyle. or rather, on what our society projects what our lifestyle should be like. but in my opinion we are also doing it wrong. we delay having children for to long, and we spend our 20s either working to hard or enjoying our freedom, and then we have children…

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Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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why would it be paid? you get the value back through the social contract. monetary incentives for children are empirically proven to be very ineffective. so the ship will go down regardless. why not to punish the culprits out of spite?

> monetary incentives for children are empirically proven to be very ineffective Money is like violence. If it didn't work you didn't use enough. > why not to punish the culprits out of spite? Is there a difference between penalizing the (by choice) childless and lavishing money on those who have children? Seems about the same to me.

doesnt make sense unless money has no meaning anymore.

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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its true tho, basically all the time after working your 9-5 you have to invest into your children. i personally still want to have children in my mid 20s. i don't really care about the downside due to my ideological conviction. but even if you are a rational actor and respect the social contract you must bear the burden.

yes, but this should not be seen as a compromise of your lifestyle. especially if, as you say, you actually want children. you are doing yourself a disservice. looking at children as a burden will only grow resentment. sure, having children means that my freedom to do something else is limited. but i don't see that as a burden. it's a choice. and i don't regret that choice one bit. i wanted this experience, even if i…

i dont really have resentment toward having children. my only resentment is toward having to pay into a social system where the majority of recipients don't understand why having no children is breaking the social contract.

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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What about taxing the rich instead of putting yet another burden on the young.

again, the problem is demographic. people like you are not able to see beyond the first order effects. if you finance the social system from the rich you will fundamentally not fix the issue. you can't eat euros.

Can't even eat babies (unless you visited a certain disgraced financier's island)

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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They don't. Chancellor Merz has an approval rating of 13 %. The German population almost unanimously thinks that he is doing a terrible job ( https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2026-05/umfrage-bund... ) They have no vision for the future and no idea how to bring Germany forward other that taxing the poor.

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Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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They don't. Chancellor Merz has an approval rating of 13 %. The German population almost unanimously thinks that he is doing a terrible job ( https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2026-05/umfrage-bund... ) They have no vision for the future and no idea how to bring Germany forward other that taxing the poor.

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Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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They don't. Chancellor Merz has an approval rating of 13 %. The German population almost unanimously thinks that he is doing a terrible job ( https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2026-05/umfrage-bund... ) They have no vision for the future and no idea how to bring Germany forward other that taxing the poor.

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All foreigners are poor, huh? You racist
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