next step age-verification at BIOS/EFI level /s
California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
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Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
For what its worth this header has been around for a very long time. It's actually the second iteration and much simpler than it's predecessor. Parents today can accomplish what you are suggesting by installing parental control software and only allowing access to things they explicitly approve. This can also be done via headers explicit blocking of all the things and was suggested in another thread. [1] Some people…
The point is that it is unrealistic to expect millions of people to mark the content. Also, the header is better than the metatag because it can be added to images, videos and other non-HTML content as well.
I tend to agree - making folks intending to interact with minors comply makes more sense.
That said, outside of the merits of this approach, I am dubious of any actual implementation given 2 points.
1) Protecting the youths will always be a leaky bucket. With disadvantaged youths possibly more at risk. Those exposed to non-compliant parents ("cool" parents who are ok with sharing unsuitable content) or lacking strong parental involvement, likely won't benefit a great deal from any implementation.
2) Anti privacy social networks stand to gain the most from targeting ads utilizing signals from most child safety acts. They also might be able to reduce some costs from moderation if they can make it someone else's problem. I'd argue the net social impact from these social networks is likely both more normalized and strongly negative for our youths than any smut.
On the balance I'd say we are better off investing our energy in other places.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#183The only device mandates that should be taking place is for the default installations of web clients should be checking to see if parental controls are enabled. This only impacts the major browsers. An intern at each browser company could add this check in minutes. If they are enabled and the person logged in is on a regular account (not admin or power user of sorts) then the base installation of web clients must che…
Bold of you to assume that lawmakers have any common sense when it comes to technology legislation. It could have taken 3 interns 3 hours at each browser company to implement a cookie consent standard 15 years ago, yet here we are in cookie banner hell.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#184So are kids not going to have access to llms? Seems trivial to get around this from a technical standpoint for frontier llms no matter how this is implemented.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#185And I bet that Microsoft employee who was sending PRs to all the linux distros (and systemd) will not bother sending apologies to them for wasting their time.
You mean dylanmtaylor? I didn't know he was an MSFT employee but I guess I wouldn't be surprised.
He isn't. Also never was (unless the CV lies that is).
As for what drove him instead.. I suppose we will never know.
All we can know for certain is that the whole thing felt _very_ inorganic and not like something a reasonable human being would just start doing out of the blue.
(Corporate) politics love plausible deniability, so maybe it was just inherently human randomness. I'm sure it was. Please move along.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
But it seems that many parents do not bother to do anything to raise their children properly, including setting up parental controls.
Let me be very explicit so we're not dancing around the topic: The potentially all-powerful government shouldn't know: - what vices a person has - what religion a person has or doesn't have - what porn you watch - what alcohol and drugs you buy PERIOD. All of these things can be exploited. To control jobs, to control finances, to extort influence, to shape ideology, etc. The government shouldn't be able to catalog th…
What constitutes an all-powerful government? It seems rife for a no-true-scotsman argument.
Would it be acceptable for a private company to own this information? Perhaps sell it to others?
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#187As a dad of two younger kids (7 and 10), I have been incredibly frustrated with the way age restrictions are handled across various services. Really, my main complaint comes down to: I completely disagree with what these services choose to restrict for kids and what they allow. They block my kids from doing things I have no problem with them doing and they allow things I would never want my kids to do in 1000 years.…
maybe at 7 and 10 they shouldn't use device connected to the internet without your active supervision at all? What will they miss?
Maybe it's the parent's decision on whether they should or shouldn't?
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
only parents can decide for their own children, so you can do whatever you want for your own children
> only parents can decide for their own children Voters are collectively deciding for all of our children. And there are absolutely group dynamics that require cooperation. It’s why rich communities ban phones in classrooms while in poor communities, the one family that tries doing it alone is probably going to be less successful. Again, I’m not saying you’re fundamentally wrong. Just that this debate has been had an…
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Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#189A cynical person might suspect that the reason they are doing this is so that Linux developers don't have standing to challenge the law on 1st amendment grounds...
LEarn to take a win as a win. People who are unable to look at anything without seeing themselves being scammed are clinically paranoid.
A bad law that only affects other people might be a win for me, but it's still a loss for society
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean dylanmtaylor? I didn't know he was an MSFT employee but I guess I wouldn't be surprised.
He isn't. Also never was (unless the CV lies that is). As for what drove him instead.. I suppose we will never know. All we can know for certain is that the whole thing felt _very_ inorganic and not like something a reasonable human being would just start doing out of the blue. (Corporate) politics love plausible deniability, so maybe it was just inherently human randomness. I'm sure it was. Please move along.
Maybe it's a Lennart Pottering sockpuppet.