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Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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post #152

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I don't mean to be some annoying contrarian or something, but couldn't it be the case that if the govt was investing someone who was planning a terrorist attack, then notifying the person being investigated could work against stopping them? Not saying it wouldn't get abused though, which seems like the primary concern of most people in these discussions..

Isn’t it better for all parties if the user is informed that they’re being investigated? This way they might stop from doing the act for which they’re investigated instead of actually carrying it out.

No. We want to catch and send you to the slammer. Criminals and terrorists usually NEVER STOP trying.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it better for all parties if the user is informed that they’re being investigated? This way they might stop from doing the act for which they’re investigated instead of actually carrying it out.

No. We want to catch and send you to the slammer. Criminals and terrorists usually NEVER STOP trying.

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Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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Having a coalition of mega corporations all allied with each other isn't any better than having a strong government. Both are dangerous to personal liberties. I think we're due for a break up of these companies. No more Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. We the people need to start taking power back.

No one is going to save us. I've recently been moved to direct action and started participating in a local indivisible.org group. It's had untold positive impacts on my personal mental state being with people trying to make things better, or at least slow the damage for now. Much of that is from going out and talking to random people on the street, handing out information and having conversations. Also quitting socia…

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Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean to be some annoying contrarian or something, but couldn't it be the case that if the govt was investing someone who was planning a terrorist attack, then notifying the person being investigated could work against stopping them? Not saying it wouldn't get abused though, which seems like the primary concern of most people in these discussions..

You mean like those Minnesota soccer mom “terrorists”? It’s hard to assume good faith after repeated bad faith behaviors, hence the reason our justice system is supposed to operate on evidence and a presumption of innocence, rather than “treat everyone like they aren’t a terrorist…yet..but will be if i decide they are”.

No. Our justice system has never actually been based on evidence.

It’s based on the doctrine of judicial discretion in the name of preserving order.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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archive.is is one of the domains of archive.today, which used its end users for a DDOS attack on a blog. This caused English Wikipedia to deprecate it with the end goal of blacklisting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...

> archive.is is one of the domains of archive.today, which used its end users for a DDOS attack on a blog. Please provide evidence for your claim. The wiki rfc [5] that you linked doesn't provide any DDOS evidence at all, which is odd for wikipedia. > This caused English Wikipedia to deprecate it with the end goal of blacklisting This appears to be a concerted effort to blacklist archive.today by unknown actors. Ther…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46843805

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like those Minnesota soccer mom “terrorists”? It’s hard to assume good faith after repeated bad faith behaviors, hence the reason our justice system is supposed to operate on evidence and a presumption of innocence, rather than “treat everyone like they aren’t a terrorist…yet..but will be if i decide they are”.

No. Our justice system has never actually been based on evidence. It’s based on the doctrine of judicial discretion in the name of preserving order.

> It’s based on the doctrine of judicial discretion in the name of preserving order.

Yep for public order reasons alone. Not saying thats a good think. IMHO its the main reason actual justice is lacking.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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post #160

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Oh yes, the Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse. Better to wiretap everyone just in case. Why stop there ? After all there a chance any privacy could be used to conceal some terrorist plot, better to record every meat-space conversations too, let's not take any risk.

We could even recruit people to turn their neighbors in for all sorts if terrible acts, like offensive FB posts, or not wearing masks, or having too many people over, or hanging out on the beach by themselves during a pandemic, or... The party in power always wants control. Whether this is bad or not usually depends on if you align with the party in control or not.

See this is the thing. Im not aligned with any party. If anyone does this stuff, they should be held accountable.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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post #92

My thoughts as someone who doesn't know much about these types of things: 1. Terry Albury calling this list the "Panopticon" could have merit since he's a former FBI agent. However, I'd have to research more into him to figure out how credible he is, and why he is framing it like this. 2. Amazon and Facebook being in the title is most likely clickbait. They're literally only mentioned once in the article and the rest…

> The article mentions that there's no oversight program for Seattle Shield. Is that a problem?

Any government body with no oversight program indicates that rule of law is optional.

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