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At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#181

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What if we just zip tie bags over them while working on legislation?

Just break the cameras. Nobody cares (I mean, local police will care, in that they will arrest you if they can, but that's about the extent of it.)

Yes, local police would be my concern in this situation

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#182
post #73

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Smashing cameras is enjoyable whereas building movement for legislation is laborious. It will be easier to negotiate for legislation as well if the economic risk of installation increases because of vandalism.

And that's why we need more direct democracy. People (correctly) feel like they have very little power over laws which affect them day to day. If someone represents me, then logically I should have the right to vote directly instead of him, or remove him at any point.

That's why planes should be flown using direct democracy. Passengers (correctly) feel like they have little power over the maneuvers planes make and affect them moment to moment.

Representational democracy is far superior. Decisions need to be weighed against both their popularity and their effect with input from experts and other affected parties.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#183

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The article was written with a premise into a prompt for Claude, which then wrote the whole thing.

What do you think about the contents?

I think I could prompt Claude to make me an opposite article telling me Americans love flock cameras

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#184

I've warmed to LLM-generated/assisted writing in general but this kind of stuff is just lazy and is basically "I got Claude to say something I agree with and then made it pretty".

Did not strike me as AI-written. But it's useless to try to distinguish. There is only good writing and shite writing. (With things like "accuracy" and "verifiability" and even "awareness of adjacent context" included in my definition of "good.") The article is reasonably good and your comment I'm afraid is fairly shite.

I disagree. There is more content out there than I can read in many lifetimes, so I have to be selective. LLM generated text (like any text) can be well put together on the surface level but require deeper consideration to see the flaws, and of course this takes more effort than the writing did.

A human-written piece indicates someone believes in it enough to put in enough effort to write it up nicely, so it works as a heuristic of underlying quality.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#185

Speed cameras and other surveillance state Trojan horses next please. Not just flock.

Speed cameras? I dont know, as long as people kill people with their vehicles, speed cameras are a tiny evil.

Many a local government is known to trap people with no good reason. Place a speed limit sign somewhere it's hard to spot from the road and the road does not indicate a speed limit by e.g. reducing lanes, place a few strategic cops and loot everyone who doesn't have a navigation system with speed hints.

Bonus, use the opportunity for some nice civil forfeiture scams.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#186
post #95

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How about addressing the root causes of crime (i.e. poverty) instead of suppressing the symptoms by pushing crime out of politically powerful areas into politically marginalized areas? I'm not a fan of vandalism and luckily I'm living in a country where I have the law on my side when demanding that public space is not surveilled indiscriminately, but I totally understand the urge to simply take a stick to a camera th…

Poverty alleviation is not a silver bullet (or anywhere close) for crime reduction, as nice as it would be if that were true.

Seems like it would help a lot, even if it wouldn't solve the issue.

I think we should forge ahead on trying reduce poverty, and I suspect that doing so would correlate with reductions in crime.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#187

Eventually toll cameras and a consortium of private businesses will have this tech and then game over. Better to use this energy and legislate the behavior you want. Never let the enemy decide the terms.

People are able to do both. There are plenty of grassroots efforts across the country to end cities’ contracts with Flock. Unfortunately, just as many counties have been unresponsive about stopping data center construction, many cities have been unresponsive about ending contracts with Flock. I don’t condone illegal property damage, but civil disobedience on a large scale both in the US and around the world have ofte…

Civil disobedience and non-violent (towards people) destruction of invasive technology is the only outlet left for most people, I would argue. The money and power is so incredibly lopsided that 'traditional' routes of impacting City, county, or state/national practices are closed to most of us.

This is just my thought with nothing to back it up, but I believe it's valid. I also believe we'll see widespread actions of this type within the next decade.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#188
post #22

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The author wants them smashed. The point of the article is to attempt to normalize and provide justification for the behavior, so that more people feel OK doing it.

Good. Flock cameras appeal to weak communist attitudes, where there is a desire for a "good" authoritarian government that tracks everyone... for "their own good".

*fascist

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article was written with a premise into a prompt for Claude, which then wrote the whole thing.

What do you think about the contents?

Why does that even matter? It's inauthentic, don't waste your time.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#190
post #174

I've warmed to LLM-generated/assisted writing in general but this kind of stuff is just lazy and is basically "I got Claude to say something I agree with and then made it pretty".

A browser plugin that scores webpage content based on how likely it is to have been AI-generated would be quite useful. Browser vendors can't build this.

Check out Pangram
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