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Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by chadgpt3 »

radicalbyte wrote: post #98

I've read the article and I kind of agree with some of the things he's saying. It's more than just AI though. Energy is the big problem and the big problem there is that we're just not ramping up renewables quickly enough. Why? Corruption of course. We had a big leaded 15-20 years ago but the German car manufactorers and British/Dutch oil companies applied a huge amount of political pressure, aided by American intere…

When you take a train ride through Germany you see solar fields and wind farms everywhere. How much will be enough?

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by chadgpt3 »

tensor wrote: post #65
barbacoa wrote: post #3

America innovates, China replicates, Europe regulates.

Immigrants innovate, US declines and isolates, and Europe is waking up to the new world order where the west needs new leadership.

Two of these are true, but I fear Europe is perpetually incapable of waking up.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by DiabloD3 »

oytis wrote: post #40
DiabloD3 wrote: post #35

This is mostly a performance by the Mistral CEO. He is trying to justify the continued existence of the AI bubble in his country, claiming that, somehow, us Americans have figured it out and made LLMs work. We haven't, nobody has. LLMs don't work. They cannot think. They do not understand what you are asking them to do. They statistically reproduce text written by other people, and they cannot do so well. They are no…

> they cannot help you find security exploits. What is the reason for the recent deluge of CVEs with working exploits to open source projects then?

Anthropic repeatedly refuses to show their work.

Is this just a clever application of the harness, so its not inherently LLM at all? Did Anthropic figure out how to take the next step that changes my mind on LLMs? Is this actually just Anthropic committing an interesting case of fraud and using some human labor intensive loop with LLMs? Is this not LLM inference at all, and they're just using only the perplexity measurement on the input code to accelerate where human eyeballs look?

Anthropic refuses to release their model under an accepted open weights license, and that isn't a good sign.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by vintermann »

gamblor956 wrote: post #163
amunozo wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Zurich is everything but representative of Europe. Switzerland has much lower taxes and higher salaries than the rest of Europe.

Switzerland has about the same taxes as most of Europe, but the taxes are spread between federal, cantonal, and municipal taxes. The combined marginal rate in Switzerland can reach 45%. Switzerland also has a wealth tax. TLDR: Switzerland is not the low-tax fantasy wonderland many people believe it to be.

Ok, but then why are Scandinavian billionaires emigrating to Switzerland?

Personal wealth above ca. $215000 (with primary residence counted at 25% of its market value, and debt subtracted) is taxed at 1% in Norway, rising to 1.1% above $2.2 million. Presumably whatever wealth tax Switzerland has is lower than that?

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by pu_pe »

Mistral's claim to European sovereignty is somewhat weak, because:

- They are partially owned by American companies

- They run their infra on American providers (AWS especially)

- Their models are a distillation and therefore dependent of American and Chinese models

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by kkzz99 »

sometimelurker wrote: post #155
Oras wrote: post #15

> and a challenger to OpenAI Big claim. Apart from Mistral OCR, I didn't find any of their models remotely useful. They do have a chance to become sole AI provider for France as French are trying to break from US tech, not because their product is useful. Sounds like a cry to raise more money, which is inline with their initial pitch [0] [0] https://sifted.eu/articles/pitch-deck-mistral

> ... didn't find any of their models remotely useful. I daily drive Ministral-3-3B-Reasoning, getting a nice 70 tok/s on my GPU. its actually much faster than Google/DDG searches and I use it a ton when coding to check methods and remember ways to implement things. Its better than the qwen stuff of the same size because its not filled with ccp bs.

>because its not filled with ccp bs

You do know that mistral distilled from deepseek, yeah?

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by no-name-here »

Gud wrote: post #175
tmikaeld wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is, the rich pay normal tax and in Sweden (~52-55% effective), includes extra tax on high income. Even dividend tax is 30%

Rich don’t have income, they have wealth. And the oligarchs in Sweden pay very little taxes.

> Rich don't have income

Wouldn't rich people still have dividends, interest, and possibly executive compensation and capital gains? And if, for example, their money is in a business, that business would be paying all taxes as well, both resulting in tax revenue, and less for the investor? Or is there a source that they don’t have income?

> oligarchs in Sweden pay very little taxes

How are you quantifying that claim? From what I can find, the top 1% pay 10-15% of Sweden’s total tax revenue, presumably a far larger share than any other similarly sized group? Or what's the quantification you're using?

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by pllbnk »

poisonborz wrote: post #145
Insanity wrote: post #26

As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.

This is a pervasive misconception in the industry, and a very dull trope on HN. Your income tax makes it possible to create a livable society in the EU. You get much more free time and are protected from a lot of random life events, even if you work in a McDonalds counter and not as a software engineer. You have rent, healthcare, protection from landlords. Not perfect, but at least the direction is there. Solely prof…

The main brunt of the taxes in percentage terms still falls on the regular employees. Companies and wealthy individuals find ways to avoid them same as everywhere else, hence the feeling of injustice.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by sajithdilshan »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #178
sajithdilshan wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Yes, this is what I keep telling people. There are two kinds of programmers I've met: those who think they became 10x devs because of AI, and those who AI is slowing them down. The people who think they became 10x devs? They were missing crucial skills that allow them to be productive devs, and the AI is filling the gaps... instead, they should be actually learning those skills, since without them they will never act…

> They were missing crucial skills that allow them to be productive devs, and the AI is filling the gaps

What's wrong with that? AI is a tool and that's the whole purpose of using tools. Are you one of those people that expects everyone to write code in notepad?

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

no-name-here wrote: post #187
Gud wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rich don’t have income, they have wealth. And the oligarchs in Sweden pay very little taxes.

> Rich don't have income Wouldn't rich people still have dividends, interest, and possibly executive compensation and capital gains? And if, for example, their money is in a business, that business would be paying all taxes as well, both resulting in tax revenue, and less for the investor? Or is there a source that they don’t have income? > oligarchs in Sweden pay very little taxes How are you quantifying that claim?…

> How are you quantifying that claim? From what I can find, the top 1% pay 10-15% of Sweden’s total tax revenue, presumably a far larger share than any other similarly sized group? Or what's the quantification you're using?

The OP is presumably pointing out the discrepancies between taxation of wealth vs taxation of income. Your top 1% stat is presumably income.

For instance, I pay 52% marginal, but only 33% on capital gains. So if I am capital income heavy, I will pay less tax than someone on the same money but getting it as income.

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