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Accelerando (2005)

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Re: Accelerando (2005)

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This was written in 2005(!) -> > Manfred drains his beer glass, sets it down, stands up, and begins to walk along the main road, phone glued to the side of his head. He wraps his throat mike around the cheap black plastic casing, pipes the input to a simple listener process. "Are you saying you taught yourself the language just so you could talk to me?" > "Da, was easy: Spawn billion-node neural network, and download…

This was written in 2005(!) -> No, I wrote that in 1998. It was published as the novelette "Lobsters" in Asimov's SF Magazine in 2002, made the Hugo and Nebula shortlists in 2003 (it didn't win), and later became the opening of the novel published in 2005. I emphasized: the direction things were going in was obvious in the late 90s . And don't *ever* let anyone tell you that Accelerando is techno-optimistic or pro-AI…

Unfortunately many people read Accelerando maybe not as a utopia, but at least as an excuse to ignore many pressing modern-day problems, for the simple reason that they would soon be obviated by technological progress. That is, why worry about climate change or cancer when nanotechnology will solve both problems without side-effects? Or, in one episode of Community when Troy and Abed object to saving money for a jacket since by the time they can afford it they'll be living on a moon base.

This, I've come to realize, is the problem with science fiction - it discourages us from caring about the human problems we have today because we want to believe things will be so different tomorrow that our efforts today would be wasted. It becomes a convenient excuse to avoid doing anything, adopting a wait-and-see approach that is only distinguishable from solipsism via subjective self-regard. The accelerationists have a dishonest, disrespectful attitude about subjects like the biosphere in which we live (science fiction having taught them it is easily reproduced), access to fresh water (sf rarely speaking about this, the exception being Paulo Bacalupi), and real living standards (sf's favorite victim; the singularity is fascism's greatest ally, a soporific that helps otherwise intelligent people sleep-walk into chains). We all want the Star Trek magic-bullet solution that scales and doesn't require anyone to dedicate their lives to teaching villages how to avoid dysentery or why educating your kids might be a good idea. We all want laser guns that don't need ammunition and don't overheat, and flying machines that have no moving parts, and all the other marvels that finally (finally!) let us have the power of tools without requiring any knowledge.

So, yes, Accelerando is definitely techno-optimistic because whole classes of problems go away once you simulate humans. If you intended this to be a dystopian scenario you might have added something to give the reader the impression that these simulations were imperfect or degraded. Instead, you just gave yet another incredibly potent rationalization for rich people to not give a fuck about reality. Fun story though.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

#182

This was written in 2005(!) -> > Manfred drains his beer glass, sets it down, stands up, and begins to walk along the main road, phone glued to the side of his head. He wraps his throat mike around the cheap black plastic casing, pipes the input to a simple listener process. "Are you saying you taught yourself the language just so you could talk to me?" > "Da, was easy: Spawn billion-node neural network, and download…

I also loved:

"It looks like they're doing something purposeful and coordinated, something vast --- a timing channel attack on the virtual machine that's running the universe, ..."

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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This was written in 2005(!) -> No, I wrote that in 1998. It was published as the novelette "Lobsters" in Asimov's SF Magazine in 2002, made the Hugo and Nebula shortlists in 2003 (it didn't win), and later became the opening of the novel published in 2005. I emphasized: the direction things were going in was obvious in the late 90s . And don't *ever* let anyone tell you that Accelerando is techno-optimistic or pro-AI…

That's what you assume the intent of the author is, I asked WhateverGPT and it confirmed that it was definitely pro-AI! /s

no, that is the actual author. He's been here a long time.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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The fact that the OpenClaw creators seemingly missed that parallel tells you everything you need to know about the project.

All I need to know about the project is that the creators didn't read a relatively obscure SciFi book from 2005?

accelerando is not exactly obscure!

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Accelerando has prophecies that are coming true and it's scary. Spoiler warning in case you want to read it. The first part's main character basically has the future version of openclaw running in his glasses that let him dispatch agents to do any tasks/research he wants or to autonomously do things for him. -> we are already kinda here He's got such total dependency on his agents that when he loses his glasses he's…

It’s been unambiguous that this was the trajectory for anyone who has any serious interest thinking about millenia/galaxy scales.

It’s been written about since writing was available and with increasingly resolution ever since.

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This is nothing new though; industrialization and specialization have already caused basic survival skills to atrophy in most of the population. Take the case of a massive EMP taking out all computer systems. Gaps in supply chains and power failures would lead to millions (or billions) dying of starvation, dehydration, or exposure because they don’t know how to provide for themselves. People who’ve studied and practi…

If everyone in Manhattan had Bear Grylls-level survival skills, most would still starve in the long term without modern supply chains and industrial agriculture. The damaged ecosystems around large population centers can't support millions of primates, however skilled, suddenly relying on it. Same would be true if you dropped off a million wild black bears in their natural habitat. The natural environment just can't…

Which is why every major city center is where the apocalypse actually occurs

Go look at Gaza or Lebanon if you want to look into the future of what being in a city that is dominated by a technologically capable adversary with no remorse would look like.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Accelerando has prophecies that are coming true and it's scary. Spoiler warning in case you want to read it. The first part's main character basically has the future version of openclaw running in his glasses that let him dispatch agents to do any tasks/research he wants or to autonomously do things for him. -> we are already kinda here He's got such total dependency on his agents that when he loses his glasses he's…

> He's got such total dependency on his agents that when he loses his glasses he's basically no longer functional, Is this new? I don't think I could function without everything that was available in the 1950. I live because I have access to electricity, super markets, running water, working sewage, etc.. Take them away and I would not be able to fend for myself, especially in any major city. Put me in a forest I don…

This boggles my mind because you know how incapable you are during a crisis, and yet you seem content in that state.

Help me understand the cognitive dissonance and how you deal with it

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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That's what you assume the intent of the author is, I asked WhateverGPT and it confirmed that it was definitely pro-AI! /s

no, that is the actual author. He's been here a long time.

Yes... that's the joke, that's what the trailing "/s" was for. I also noticed they said "I" in their reply.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

#189

This was written in 2005(!) -> > Manfred drains his beer glass, sets it down, stands up, and begins to walk along the main road, phone glued to the side of his head. He wraps his throat mike around the cheap black plastic casing, pipes the input to a simple listener process. "Are you saying you taught yourself the language just so you could talk to me?" > "Da, was easy: Spawn billion-node neural network, and download…

This was written in 2005(!) -> No, I wrote that in 1998. It was published as the novelette "Lobsters" in Asimov's SF Magazine in 2002, made the Hugo and Nebula shortlists in 2003 (it didn't win), and later became the opening of the novel published in 2005. I emphasized: the direction things were going in was obvious in the late 90s . And don't *ever* let anyone tell you that Accelerando is techno-optimistic or pro-AI…

It was optimistic in the sense that at least something resembling humanity survives the AI-Apocalypse at least!

[big fan of all your writings here!]

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Have posted this elsewhere: Accelerando has always been a favorite SciFi novel of mine but it hits very different today. As the name suggests, it’s about how the world evolves when accelerated by powerful AI technology. Notably it was written circa 2005, long before this GenAI era. Even though it focuses primarily on the human agents in the story -- where the definition of humanity itself is fuzzy from the get-go --…

> That was an extremely cool but a very far-off, not-in-my-lifetime Sci-Fi fantasy idea when I read it.

The Future Shock is real!

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