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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I am really looking for more reasoned approaches to AI. I am very close to using it as a pair programmer, but with me actually coding. I am just so tired of fixing its mistakes.

Isn't going to happen without the regulation hammer being thrown down. Probably from the EU because they seem to be the sane ones of this generation.

Talking about my own personal workflow. No company has dictated one tl me yet lol.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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AI janitors

Not janitors. Hazmat cleanup crews.

Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Beach%2C_Missouri

Scrape off all the soil, put it in casks, and bury it in a concrete bunker for 10000 years. Then relocate everyone and attempt to rebuild.

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I think AI rescue consulting is going to be come a significant mode of high value consulting, similar to specialists who come in to try and deal with a security breach or do data recovery. Purely AI written systems will scale to a point of complexity that no human can ever understand and the defect close rate will taper down and the token burn per defect rate scale up and eventually AI changes will cause on average m…

This might not pan out to be the glorious victory of human craft as you’re imagining it to be. Here’s a slightly different future - these AI rescue consultants are bots too, just trained for this purpose. Plausible? I have already experienced claude 4.7 handle pretty complex refactors without issues. Scale and correctness aren’t even 1% of the issue it was last year. You just have to get the high level design right,…

I think that will happen. I think several things can be true at the same time:

- AI Hype

- AI Psychosis

- AI keeps getting better and better until it can work around big AI slop code bases

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I was talking with a friend in the early days of AI boom. I argued that over-reliance in AI will create all kinds of catastrophes. The answer I got is "It's game theory. Someone will do it, and you'll be forced to do it, too. It can't be that bad". I mean, yes, logic is useful, but ignorance of risks? Assuming that moving blazingly fast and pulverizing things will result in good eventually? This AI thing is not progr…

An interesting ethical framework, your friend has.

Maybe. I could also interpret this as the friend being misunderstood.

The whole "you'll be forced to do it" comes from the alternative being that you lose. You no longer get to be a player in the "game". In the same way that coopers and cobblers are no longer a significant thing, but we still have barrels and we still have shoes. Software engineers who refuse to employ any LLMs won't be market competitive. If you adopt it, you at least get to remain playing the game until the game changes/corrects. That's the part that's "not so bad".

Choosing your own survival isn't ethically bankrupt.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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There's a lot of people writing bad code. With AI being forced top down (with the promise of turning people into 10x-ers), we're going to get a lot of people writing bad code 10x faster.

I really do worry - I especially worry about security. You thought supply chain security management was an impossible task with NPM? Let me introduce to AI - you can look forward to the days of AI poisoning where AIs will infiltrate, exfiltrate, or just destroy and there's no way of stopping it because you cannot examine the internals of the system.

AI has turbo charged people's lax attitude to security.

God help us.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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This might not pan out to be the glorious victory of human craft as you’re imagining it to be. Here’s a slightly different future - these AI rescue consultants are bots too, just trained for this purpose. Plausible? I have already experienced claude 4.7 handle pretty complex refactors without issues. Scale and correctness aren’t even 1% of the issue it was last year. You just have to get the high level design right,…

> You just have to get the high level design right, or explicitly ask it critique your design before building it. Do you think people are not giving their agents specs and asking for input?

Very often, no.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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post #113

I think AI rescue consulting is going to be come a significant mode of high value consulting, similar to specialists who come in to try and deal with a security breach or do data recovery. Purely AI written systems will scale to a point of complexity that no human can ever understand and the defect close rate will taper down and the token burn per defect rate scale up and eventually AI changes will cause on average m…

Heh. Got a customer recently around this. Entire infrastructure and CI/CD vibecoded. They half implemented Kubernetes in Github Actions that were several thousand lines long and impossible to understand.

I think the problem will get worst. I dislike the marketing around AI, but I do think it is a useful tool to help those who have experience move faster. If you are not an expert, AI seems to create a complex solution to whatever it is you were trying to do.

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As the models keep improving, wouldn’t you be able to task a newer AI to “clean up this mess”?

Are they improving? I thought they were just getting more expensive

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