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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by wolvoleo »

drstewart wrote: post #165
onemoresoop wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU wokeup from their sleep with backstabs all around. What a rude awakening indeed. Possibly some were dismissed when they raised this scenario as unlikely.

There can always be another Orban. Unless Europeans can never trust Hungary again and move away from them at lightspeed, I'm smelling hypocrisy.

I didn't say never. I just said, if America gets a sane administration again, things won't be automatically back to normal. There will be caution for years. Also, any new administration will spend years undoing all the destruction that has been done until things can be considered normal again.

And yes I don't trust Hungary.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by drstewart »

wolvoleo wrote: post #167
drstewart wrote: post #141

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An invasion threat isn't easily forgotten. Eventually things will be ok but America will have to prove itself again. Trust comes on foot and leaves on horseback. Even if Trump is replaced by a Democrat, the conditions that made Trump happen are still there. That won't change from one day to the next. And don't forget he already happened twice. 10-20 years of decent administrations will make things ok again. But of co…

You are right of course. Germany eventually rebuilt trust within Europe, but now have a highly decoupled economy from their neighbors. As you correctly point out.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by titanomachy »

euroderf wrote: post #145

Stupid question... I guess SSG pages can be hosted for free from Github or Cloudflare. Any EU equivalents of these - with free or dirt-cheap hosting ?

Not a stupid question at all. Hetzner's cheapest cloud server is €4/month, which includes 20TB of egress. Certainly not free, but should be cheap enough for most.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by onemoresoop »

drstewart wrote: post #165
onemoresoop wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU wokeup from their sleep with backstabs all around. What a rude awakening indeed. Possibly some were dismissed when they raised this scenario as unlikely.

There can always be another Orban. Unless Europeans can never trust Hungary again and move away from them at lightspeed, I'm smelling hypocrisy.

Im sure there are other would be Orbans ready to jump in. In fact the current US admin is stoking the fire openly.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by rob74 »

dangus wrote: post #4

> The OVHcloud control panel is a labyrinth: the lifecycle rule configuration is buried somewhere in the documentation, and it involves some work in the terminal. Use OpenTofu/Terraform! Much better than messing with cloud consoles, and then your infrastructure self-documents. I’d also put out one note to any people outside the EU looking to switch to Mistral or really any service: just because they’re a European com…

> they state that they follow whatever privacy laws exist in your country

Well, that's kinda obvious - if they want to do business in a country, they have to follow the laws of that country. That doesn't in and of itself mean that they will apply weaker privacy protections if the local laws are less strict than GDPR...

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

embedding-shape wrote: post #151
TrackerFF wrote: post #49

For the past days I've been participating(albeit over Teams) in a conference relevant to my industry (intel), basically startups and established companies showcasing their products to a closed audience of EU gov. officials. One thing I noticed right away, is that all companies were asked "Can we fully host this from within EU or our country" from the various people in audience. Every single one. Many of the startups…

> Definitely a change, because it is not something I can recall being important just a couple of years ago. I work as a consultant and freelancer across a bunch of companies, some American but mostly European ones. Last ~8 months or so, the sentiment about "Hosting our data in EU or even our own country" has drastically changed, I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before. The amount o…

Surely there would have been mumblings in certain sectors of the EU since the first Trump administration?

It’s just that they started to execute now?

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by traceroute66 »

sevenzero wrote: post #33
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #13

While I agree with him that the US is becoming more unpredictable, I don't think the EU is much better, especially with regards to digital things where they can be worse in some ways. For example, they are discussing restricting VPN access for 'child protection'[1] [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_AT...

Most digital things in Europe are in fact much better. Lots of laws allow people to protect themselves from digital exploitation. I agree that there is a ton of bullshit as well though. Gotta dox myself with imprints for example, so I cant share my work with people without also doxing myself. Also as a hobbyist you pretty much need all the business documents as well, like a privacy policy even if its just a small pub…

> need all the business documents as well, like a privacy policy even if its just a small public app on the playstore

And this is a bad thing why exactly ?!?!?!

If you respect your users data and right to privacy then you've got nothing to hide by publishing an EU compliant privacy policy.

It might be "just a small app", but I and many other people still very much still "do give a damn" about what the hell you do with my data, where you store it, how long you store it and how I can exercise my GDPR rights.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by TacticalCoder »

IAmFledge wrote: post #96

I started the process of this back in January and now, at least in terms of product hosting; fully migrated into European infrastructure ( https://bannermedia.ltd ). It didn't come without a bit of pain, but glad I've done it - and to come with this I've ended up building a whole terraform setup for cross provider / cross region high availability within Europe. So far my key mappings included: - Cloudflare -> Bunny C…

> - AWS (or similar) -> Hetzner + OVH; I'm also looking at Civo.com for UK presence.

At some point deciders at EU companies are going to notice that Hetzner and/or OVH are also not a bit but much cheaper than AWS.

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