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Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by barnabee »

parasubvert wrote: post #90
oliwarner wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This isn't actually possible This is only true due to a firmware they pushed last year. It's an artificial limit. There's no reason at all a local client couldn't just talk to a local printer without any cloud. Every problem BambuLabs have here is self-inflicted. They could allow simultaneous cloud and local queue management with or without authentication.

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They have no rights to prevent people modifying and using AGPL software however they want.

They should have no rights to control how people use hardware they bought. ToS for hardware should simply be unenforceable.

People should have full rights to adversarial interoperability, even if it means modifying proprietary software or hardware.

It always surprises me when people (on this site particularly) are more interested in the law as it stands than how things could or should be.

I wonder whether tech has become so exploitative partly because so many of us have lost track of (or never understood) how important civil disobedience has always been in the process of democracy and securing our rights.

As an individual you really don’t have to follow the terms of service! You certainly don’t have to support the [ab]use of ToS, DRM and related tech to screw you at every opportunity!

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by pnw_throwaway »

bri3d wrote: post #7

This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by mft_ »

bri3d wrote: post #7

This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…

I'm also trying to get my head around this, as an interested-but-not-directly-involved observer.

> What users want is to "have their cake and eat it too;" they want the local token authentication _and_ the cloud authentication enabled at the same time. This isn't actually possible, so this plugin approximates it by emulating the interface to the cloud authentication to make the "Bambu Network" cloud RPC calls from a local slicer (one of these calls is a local_print call, so ostensibly this allows you to send prints without running them through the cloud, although with all of the online functionality still enabled and required, this seems like a pretty brave thing to trust).

AIUI Bamba has made cloud access all or nothing: you either use local mode, with local slicing, and no cloud feature access at all, or you use cloud mode, with cloud slicing and access to all of the cloud features.

Can anyone explain what the cloud features that people want to retain are? Is it just app control of the printer, and print monitoring? Or are there other things to miss out on?

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by Mashimo »

nazgu1 wrote: post #170

I considered buying bambu lab A1, bout watching this and previous dramas I rather go with different vendor. Are there any good alternatives for newcomers? I like hacker nature and openness of Prusa, but I’m worried if it is good printer as a first one…

Prusa printer are really good. Well at least a few month after the first release :D They tend to release banana products that ripe at the customers.

But for example I had some problems with my linear rods, talked to support for just a few minutes and 2 days later I had replacement parts at my door. This was a few years back though.

Also they give firmware updates, and even hardware upgrade for years! This IS really nice and I'm not sure any other printer manufacturer that sells to private people does this.

Yes, your upfront price is a bit higher. I say it's worth it.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by imhoguy »

kayson wrote: post #81
weaksauce wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's because you're the product and they want the designs i think

I don't think so. They can already track popularity very effectively because they control makerworld, and they could have Bambu studio, the app, and the printer phone home too. I don't think they care enough about the tiny tiny minority of users running orca with a LAN only printer. More likely, it's technical incompetence. It's just easier (for their cloud) to send everything through their cloud

I think OP meant designs which are not on MakerWorld. And I think technical incompetence is not a reason here otherwise they wouldn't gatekeep the access so much.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by arghwhat »

mft_ wrote: post #183
bri3d wrote: post #7

This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…

I'm also trying to get my head around this, as an interested-but-not-directly-involved observer. > What users want is to "have their cake and eat it too;" they want the local token authentication _and_ the cloud authentication enabled at the same time. This isn't actually possible, so this plugin approximates it by emulating the interface to the cloud authentication to make the "Bambu Network" cloud RPC calls from a…

Being able to push prints and use the printer with direct local connection, while simultaneously having remote monitoring and remote printing when cloud/internet works and is available.

This is not the case of "wanting to have their cake and eat it too", as there is nothing mutually exclusive about these things. It requires no "emulation" or hacks - having a local API open to query state and push print jobs to the queue, while the printer connects to the cloud to publish state and pull the next job, presents no conflict.

Ultimaker has a similar feature set and had full local/cloud simultaneous integration. The only thing you "lost" by pushing a job locally was that when viewed in the cloud portal, the mini 3D model preview in the queue was missing, and only because they never bothered making the cloud solution pull it from the printer for local jobs.

But then they also did like Bambu and killed local printing entirely because they are all enterprise-only now want to sell you their higher Digital Factory subscriptions.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by imhoguy »

shuv1337 wrote: post #173
nazgu1 wrote: post #170

I considered buying bambu lab A1, bout watching this and previous dramas I rather go with different vendor. Are there any good alternatives for newcomers? I like hacker nature and openness of Prusa, but I’m worried if it is good printer as a first one…

it honestly depends on your budget. prusa is definitely overpriced for what you get. but, i bought one anyway specifically because of their stance on OSS, and this kind of bullshit the bambu is pulling. even though bambu objectively has a better or at least equal product for significantly less money.

Less money because you get significantly closed product likely susbidised by state to dominate the open competition.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by mft_ »

arghwhat wrote: post #186
mft_ wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also trying to get my head around this, as an interested-but-not-directly-involved observer. > What users want is to "have their cake and eat it too;" they want the local token authentication _and_ the cloud authentication enabled at the same time. This isn't actually possible, so this plugin approximates it by emulating the interface to the cloud authentication to make the "Bambu Network" cloud RPC calls from a…

Being able to push prints and use the printer with direct local connection, while simultaneously having remote monitoring and remote printing when cloud/internet works and is available. This is not the case of "wanting to have their cake and eat it too", as there is nothing mutually exclusive about these things. It requires no "emulation" or hacks - having a local API open to query state and push print jobs to the qu…

Thanks for confirming.

> Being able to push prints and use the printer with direct local connection, while simultaneously having remote monitoring and remote printing when cloud/internet works and is available.

So isn't an obvious approach to just cut Bambu out altogether and just create a FOSS cloud alternative, supporting the remote aspects that the users want to retain?

> This is not the case of "wanting to have their cake and eat it too", as there is nothing mutually exclusive about these things.

Nothing technically mutually exclusive, but isn't this exactly the choice that Bambu is enforcing? Which is crappy corporate enshittification behaviour, but something they can do if they so choose? (I'm not arguing in their favour - just trying to fully clarify the situation.)

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by burnt-resistor »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #22

Imagine if traditional printers were this big of a pain to use… oh

Incidentally, almost all color 2D printers insert serial number tracing artifacts, and many 2D scanners and photo editing software prevent manipulation of images containing either EURion constellation circles or Counterfeit Deterrence System patterns. Interestingly, I didn't have a problem downloading, manipulating, or attempting to print currency-detected fragment images on iPadOS 18.x.
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