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What's your theory? US Americans don't like to complain? They are moderated? They prefer to pay an extra to help the cause?
Hetzner astroturf?
Are we getting paid for that?
I need to collect my paycheck.
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Re: I returned to AWS and was reminded why I left
#182> If you're using AWS Lambda then you have to work to keep convincing yourself this is better than your own web servers. Keep convincing yourself that using AWS Lambda is not a horrible mistake. lol ok. I have ~50 lambdas running in my personal aws account. Some of them are webservers running behind an api gateway or using a lambda function url to expose them to the internet. Some are running on a schedule, some are…
As you yourself said. Your load is so light you keep it in free tier. Their entire business model is for them to capture you while your load is light and then when you scale the price goes up.
I have also used lambda at scale in professional environments. I would not use a lambda for a webserver at scale, but having an s3 object trigger processing via a lambda function is a really nice flow.
Re: I returned to AWS and was reminded why I left
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#184> If you're using AWS Lambda then you have to work to keep convincing yourself this is better than your own web servers. Keep convincing yourself that using AWS Lambda is not a horrible mistake. lol ok. I have ~50 lambdas running in my personal aws account. Some of them are webservers running behind an api gateway or using a lambda function url to expose them to the internet. Some are running on a schedule, some are…
> The cost to run these for me is less than the cost of the cheapest vps (my total requests per month stay under the free tier limit). I don't think this is a valid argument. Free-tier VPS do exist also. On the other hand, if you don't trust unattended-upgrades [0], and prefer to spend time poking package manager manually (while at the same time considering that time an expense) - sure, that's a strong argument in fa…
I do not trust a free-tier VPS with my data.
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Use to be now they are requiring 2fa for addon domains over a certain amount
It’s negligent to not use 2FA for any cloud platform where credentials can be used to spin up resources.
I should have been more clear 2FA has been in place for years the phone requirement is new.
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I don't see this as an issue with the company. They were happy to release their code as OSS, as long as that allowed them to make enough money to develop the software. It was a win/win, and them AWS came and took advantage of that. If you leave some apples at the side of the road, with a sign "$1 per apple" or whatever, and people largely pay enough for you to continue to pick apples, that's great. If someone starts…
In this allegory, did AWS take all the apples in the crate while paying them $1 for every apple, thus becoming the bad guy?
No. It took the entire crate and paid nothing.
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They don't know in advance how much bandwidth will you use, how much traffic will you have, what auto-scaling rule will it trigger, etc. It's not obfuscation, it's billing based on your usage. And as with everything in life, there are tradeoffs.
Now explain why they don't have a killswitch for a user defined spending limit.
IMHO it should be illegal to force consumers to have an infinite spending limit on a post-paid service with consumption charges. If I want to cap my unpaid expenditure at any amount, I should be legally entitled to do so.
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I agree with you at some degree, but I would like to point out that AWS pricing is much more complicated that you can calculate how much will you pay from a static number showing up on the UI. If it bothers you that you need to open two tabs for cross-checking the costs, you may want to avoid every cloud provider, not just AWS. Once you have NAT gateways, CloudFront, S3, auto scaling, loadbalancers, etc, calculating…
Not showing the price was not "my problem". It was the sign of a product packed with traps, footguns and all kind of things that would go wrong and the blame goes to the user. No thank you
> It was the sign of a product packed with traps, footguns and all kind of things that would go wrong and the blame goes to the user.
I spent 5 years optimizing spendings on AWS at various companies. Yes, it does come with traps and footguns. On the other hand if you know what are you doing, there are plenty of tools to optimize your spendings with RIs, saving plans, auto-scaling, etc, and spend less than the list prices.
Based on my experience AWS for the companies that can afford to pay surprise bills out of pocket if something goes wrong.
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agreed. i’m no aws apologist but if you’re going to try to monetize open source and then complain when someone else does it more efficiently/effectively, it really feels disingenuous. “we were going to do that, but they got there first. it’s not fair.” i’m only familiar with the postgres side, but it seems like a more nuanced view of this debate would be to discuss aws monetizing open source relative to their upstrea…
Honestly, this is so divorced from reality that I'm curious if you've ever actually spoken to a CFO before.
please educate instead of insult. happy to hear your response. that is why we’re here, after all.
Re: I returned to AWS and was reminded why I left
#190Years ago, I joined a company, took over a dev team and was asked to launch the product in 3 months. They were using AWS, so I logged in the account to add a few more machines. Right there, in front of my eyes, were the signs of an adversarial, abusive relationship. The UI to fire up a new machine did not show me the price. I had to look up the price in another table that did not have the specs. I had to have the two…
I agree with you at some degree, but I would like to point out that AWS pricing is much more complicated that you can calculate how much will you pay from a static number showing up on the UI. If it bothers you that you need to open two tabs for cross-checking the costs, you may want to avoid every cloud provider, not just AWS. Once you have NAT gateways, CloudFront, S3, auto scaling, loadbalancers, etc, calculating…
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