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California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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A bicycle and moderate fitness is the ultimate in self-reliance but you never heard them promoting that either.

Bicycle doesn't carry a family of 4, or carry loads of dirt or pick up lumber or tow a trailer. Also my e-bike needs more maintenance than my EV. Go figure.

>carry a family of 4

Why are you carrying them? They should be self-reliant too.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Conservative bots are out strong in Pacific NW forums slop posting against new "green energy" energy projects. Blaming the (not yet built!) green energy projects for upcoming rate increases. Nevermind that solar is why Texas has such cheap electricity prices. > no gas bans. I'm all for the free market. Price into gas the expected increase in healthcare costs due to air and ground water pollution. Stop subsidizing it…

There's already like 90c of gasoline tax in California and some of the highest auto registration fees, and that's on top of other rules that make it more expensive.

The gasoline and registration taxes pay for (most of the cost of) the roads. Change them all to toll roads and we can get rid of those taxes.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Soon gas stations in the Bay Area will have to price Gasoline in quarts, because the gas pumps can only display up to $9.99.

In the previous 2022 gas price spike, some stations could not dispense more than $100 worth of gas since that would previously indicate something wrong with the station.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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> Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? Yes. Most voters would, too. "Cheaper gas" understates how serious even a $20/week increase in living costs can be for a household on the margin.

Love living in the country with the highest GDP per capita than hearing stuff like this.

> Love living in the country with the highest GDP per capita than hearing stuff like this

It's reality. It doesn't go away if you ignore it. Aversion to higher gas prices isn't a luxury problem for a lot of people. Any realistic strategy for an energy transition has to acknowledge and accomodate that.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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If you are referring to American light crude oil grades such as WTI (West Texas Intermediate) that is not correct. That oil could be refined in California. It would have to come by tanker from the gulf coast through the Panama Canal to get there. Until recently it would have to come on a Jones Act US flagged tanker (expensive, scarce). That requirement has been temporarily waived.

Right I forgot we waived the jones act. Refiners are hard to come by in CA though as they keep shutting down

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Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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I was very pleasantly surprised at how much my single cargo e-bike can handle. It is big, nearly the size of a tandem bike, but it served me well for 5 years of not having a car. Curious about your maintenance needs. I have a guy that comes out once a year for service and tunes it up for me. After 3 years, I replaced the chain. I've upgraded to hydraulic brakes by the same guy. Other than that, it's been smooth ridin…

I haven't had to do any work on my EV in the 2 years I've had it. I'm due for a cabin air filter change in another couple years. So yes the bike is costing me more in maintenance! It is hard to compete with 0.

Maintenance should be amortized. The first time you do brakes and tires it will cost more than 5+ years of ebike maintenance. It adds nothing to the conversation to pretend otherwise.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Soon gas stations in the Bay Area will have to price Gasoline in quarts, because the gas pumps can only display up to $9.99.

That'll confuse the average driver. The number of people that know the various measurements for fluids is not that high. I can totally see some future social media posts excited about the $2.99 price and then getting upset when the pump shows .25 gallons.

Even if you know the measurements it would be confusing to see a sign say $2.99 for gas and it turn out to be for a quart and not a gallon when you pull up. It's assumed at this point that it's per gallon.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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... because demand is down. California hit peak gas sales 20 years ago and reaching zero motor fuel sales is foreseeable.

Reaching zero motor fuel sales is foreseeable? By when do you foresee it? How much below the peak is current sales?

15% in absolute terms, 22% in per capita terms. And it is state policy to allow no more additional ICE cars in less than ten years, no net emissions in less than 20 years. Investing in a refinery today would obviously be folly.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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A bicycle and moderate fitness is the ultimate in self-reliance but you never heard them promoting that either.

Bicycle doesn't carry a family of 4, or carry loads of dirt or pick up lumber or tow a trailer. Also my e-bike needs more maintenance than my EV. Go figure.

2 bicycles can.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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There's already like 90c of gasoline tax in California and some of the highest auto registration fees, and that's on top of other rules that make it more expensive.

The gasoline and registration taxes pay for (most of the cost of) the roads. Change them all to toll roads and we can get rid of those taxes.

Somehow other states don't need to make them all toll roads, and their roads are better
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