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Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by traderj0e »

bobthepanda wrote: post #147
rsync wrote: post #146

Imagine how much faster electric car adoption would be if incumbent auto makers weren’t using them as dumping grounds for experimental, half-baked, and unsafe design experiments? We never wanted their “electric cars” … we wanted their cars, but electric .

Yes and no. The F-150 Lightning did a lot more poorly than expected and it’s the best selling vehicle in the US. It is interesting with the current oil shock what will happen to US automakers that have all but abandoned fuel efficient cars.

The F-150 Lightning is definitely not the best selling vehicle in the US. Maybe best-selling EV pickup truck.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by KaiserPro »

zipy124 wrote: post #167
KaiserPro wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And you can claim you have anxiety in order to get a brand new Audi. You're gonna have to cite sources on that one, but I would sincerely doubt that £77 a week will allow you to lease an Audi. Also the pip claimant has to be probed by a panel every three years to keep getting the benefit, unlike say a state pension (but I paid for that I mean possibly you did, its still a non means tested benefit, unlike PIP)

Not the OP but they have since been removed as they were luxury cars, but yes £77 a week did use to cover it. Here is the source directly from Audi: https://media.audi.com/is/content/audi/country/uk/en/find-an...

Luxury meaning about a £33k car,

which on lease is about £80 a month more expensive https://www.gateway2lease.com/cars/audi/a3-saloon/22564/tfsi... (motobility is £308 a month)

so its not like its a luxury car, its a new car.

Personally I'm more pissed off about pensioners on final salary still getting state pension, even though they don't need it. Thats far more fucking expensive and doesn't serve a purpose, well apart from buying votes. means test that shit, right now.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by evan_ »

mattmanser wrote: post #150
WarmWash wrote: post #149

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The Achilles heel of EV adoption, and why I think Tesla has had such a leg up, is that your classic dealership really doesn't like selling EVs. The salesman aren't knowledgeable about them, they don't have ownership experience with them, and EV's generate dramatically fewer lifetime "service" visits and parts sales. This was common with the f150 lightning, where salesman were pretty much "If you want it I can do the…

We don't have dealerships in the UK like the US has.

How does the UK do car sales?

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by londons_explore »

traderj0e wrote: post #179
londons_explore wrote: post #172

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They vary widely. Some have 1 mile (and the plug is therefore fairly pointless and usually just to qualify for some subsidy), whilst others do 200 miles and are effectively full EV's with a petrol generator to travel further.

Yeah 1-5mi EV seems like pure scam marketing that should be illegal

It still allows regen braking down a hill or at traffic lights in town, so you get a decent efficiency gain. It also gives you a bit more horsepower when overtaking (depending on design). Or an hour of running the AC without belching smoke.

Considering the battery and motors for these tiny EV's is only 100 lbs or so, it is probably still worth having.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by traderj0e »

rsync wrote: post #146

Imagine how much faster electric car adoption would be if incumbent auto makers weren’t using them as dumping grounds for experimental, half-baked, and unsafe design experiments? We never wanted their “electric cars” … we wanted their cars, but electric .

I remember when there were no mainstream EVs and everyone kept publicizing some EV concept that looks like it'd be a ride at Disney Epcot.

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Post by thrownawaysz »

Zigurd wrote: post #162
rsync wrote: post #146

Imagine how much faster electric car adoption would be if incumbent auto makers weren’t using them as dumping grounds for experimental, half-baked, and unsafe design experiments? We never wanted their “electric cars” … we wanted their cars, but electric .

All of the German car makers, plus Hyundai, are very serious about making really good mainstream electric vehicles because they all believe that will be their core of their business sooner rather than later.

> All of the German car makers

The basic Seat Leon combi is currently 22.000€ on promotion. And that's a spacious family car. No EV car exist at that price point in that size with a range that most people would be comfortable with it.

Yes they will exist in the future but we are still a decade away from that at least.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by KaiserPro »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #165
physicsguy wrote: post #158

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People on higher salaries are disproportionately likely to be the ones doing it though - much much more likely to work for companies that implement the schemes for a start.

Yes, "higher salaries" as in higher tax band (median salary is 39k, higher tax band starts at 50k), which impacts 16% of people. That's why it has an notable impact on sales and also on the used cars market (salary sacrifice schemes are usually PCP/leasing over 3-4 years). Perhaps it is the "London bubble" on HN as I feel that no-one is registering that 100k+ is a really, really small minority...

according to the IFS 100k+ is top 10% earner in the UK. Which does feel a bit bubbly to me

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by jeffbee »

numpad0 wrote: post #117
rsynnott wrote: post #27

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> Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home And, in practice, the battery tends to be much, much bigger. Some PHEVs are basically mediocre-range electric cars which happen to have a petrol generator.

I wouldn't be sure if that's often the case, most PHEVs are just minor upgrades over existing hybrids. The electric motors on most hybrids, except the Nissan system, tend to only cover zero to city speeds. They need the gas engine connected to handle highway and ramp situations.

This is not true. Popular PHEVs like the Prius Prime can go any speed you like on batteries.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by bluGill »

Johnny555 wrote: post #104
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

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Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

> PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home) You can , but in practice most people don't. And I can understand why -- it's inconvenient to have to plug in after every short trip, and the short electric range of most PHEV's means you do have to plug in after every short trip. I plug in my EV around once a week, and it's more convenient than going to the gas station, but I'm…

That is why I setup our PHEV plug to be right next to the door, we park, grab the plug and put it in. That is at most 2 extra steps.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by bobthepanda »

traderj0e wrote: post #181
bobthepanda wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. The F-150 Lightning did a lot more poorly than expected and it’s the best selling vehicle in the US. It is interesting with the current oil shock what will happen to US automakers that have all but abandoned fuel efficient cars.

The F-150 Lightning is definitely not the best selling vehicle in the US. Maybe best-selling EV pickup truck.

https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/us/en/articles/2025/ford-f-...
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