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Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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Post by ajross »

aenis wrote: post #144
ajross wrote: post #135

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> The eyes and the attention of the driver should be on the road So, that's attractive as a slogan but it's 100% incorrect in practice. Non-road UI features like backup cameras and blind spot warning alarms save lives. Period. Other stuff might be distracting on a screen where it isn't on a button. Switching the audio track instead of hitting the next button in your muscle memory might qualify, for example. But the r…

"So, that's attractive as a slogan but it's 100% incorrect in practice. Non-road UI features like backup cameras and blind spot warning alarms save lives. Period." The "on the road" extends to mirrors (or screens that have replaced it) - I assumed that was obvious.

So screens can replace "mirrors" and not "buttons"? Seems like excuse-making to me. I repeat: I'd prefer to see more analysis and less sloganeering, especially where you "assume that was obvious".

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Post by Waterluvian »

I dunno how intentional but my 2020 Forester seems to have been designed with the rule that you should be able to do absolutely everything without touching a screen.

It feels great. The touch screen is there for finer control when I’m stopped or for the passenger. But I can do everything in memorable ways using the knobs and buttons.

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Post by Barbing »

bobanrocky wrote: post #143
yoyohello13 wrote: post #124

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Those warnings just don’t need to exist. I have a car from 2002, it has none of those and it’s fine, totally fine. There is a fuel gauge I look at to see my fuel level, when I’m out of wiper fluid it just doesn’t work (I have extra in my trunk so no big deal). I don’t need a noise to tell me there is a car in front of me, I’ve been driving this car every day for 15 years with no accidents so obviously a collision ala…

Agree. The only recent UI/safety advancents have been a good rear & side camera; and blind spot detection & warning system. The rest are for folks who should not be driving a vehicle at all. Until reliable FSD becomes widespread, we ought to stop with these ‘incremental’ UI changes for the sake of it. Like the ridiculous ’take a coffee break’ indicator which is also incorrect mostly

>recent UI/safety advancements have been a good rear & side camera

With the reports of spyware tech possibly coming to California cars “in 2027” (prob not!), I saw someone complain about the rear camera adding costs. But those families impacted by backover accidents fought for this cheap technology for a reason.

>The rest are for folks who should not be driving a vehicle at all.

I may be able to be convinced that there are so many drivers on the road who need to get off that it’s worth investing in technologies for people who should not be driving. (I’m just thinking of a private local system that has a hunch whether you are entirely absorbed in your phone or not, and if & how much I would like the public to pay for it so they don’t hurt me)

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Post by ragall »

trinix912 wrote: post #142
1980phipsi wrote: post #98

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And at the same time the car companies want to move away from Apple CarPlay, which for any of its fault is a substantially better UI than we can expect the legacy carmakers to produce.

They just want to sell their navi map updates like they used to before CarPlay was a thing.

That wouldn't be a problem if it weren't that the built-in MB navigator is by ar the best I've ever used, and definitely better than all of the apps (Google Maps, Apple Maps, Waze, Nokia Maps, TomTom, Garmin, etc...).

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Post by [deleted] »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #177
throw848tjfj wrote: post #45

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Already happening, best example is worldwide grounding of Boeing 737 MAX. It was China who triggered it, not US authorities (protecting US corporation). Similar thing with batteries on airplanes, tube trains, ferries and underground garages. China cares about fire hazard, other countries care about ideology.

China glazing on HN, wow what a suprise!

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Post by mh- »

holistio wrote: post #171
epolanski wrote: post #115

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Apple Car and Android Auto are on VW cars since a decade. Comments about this dreadful UI/UX on german cars feels really decade old. In any case I rent cars quite often, mostly get Korean, Japanese and German cars with few rare US ones, and I really don't see those differences across the board software wise. They all suck, they are all slow, clunky and unintuitive.

They are all like TVs. The native interface sucks, you plug Apple in and it's suddenly good. I have never used the native UI of my Samsung Frame. I haven't used any car's own navigation or music app in at least a decade.

Yep, except on my TV I don't have to leave Apple TV to adjust my climate control every time.

(Mk8 GTI)

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Post by Barbing »

smugma wrote: post #128
hephaes7us wrote: post #99

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For years, vehicles have had a little light that comes on when you are below about 50 miles of range. It's next to the fuel gauge. I've always heard it called the "walk light", which I presume is a reference to the fact that, if you don't do something, you may have to start walking soon. My car has a little screen in the dash where it usually shows my range, or the current temperature - information that I check when…

Forward and rear collision warnings have saved me several times in 3 different cars, including slamming on the brakes as I was backing up and then a MUNI bus that I didn’t see flew by. I’ve also been in 4 accidents that were my fault (one on the same street, a MUNI bus blocked my view of another car that had the right of the way) and 2 that weren’t but I wasn’t able to avoid them. I will always buy a new car with the…

“I acknowledge I'm a below average driver”

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(Brand New Sentence) big kudos, you’re rare, all of the rest of us know for a fact we’re above average drivers

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Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

DeathArrow wrote: post #7

Please bring back physical gauges, too. I don't want to stare at a lcd while I'm driving.

Argh. I just rented a car on a trip. It had a big central dial on the dash, which was not the speedometer. It was the fuel economy gauge. The speedometer was a digital readout in the center of that.

Given the history of car user interfaces and what they have taught users to expect, it was a terrible design.

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