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Re: New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming

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Post by malux85 »

markus_zhang wrote: post #126

Ah, very soon we will need to work in dreams. Can’t leave any stone of productivity unturned, right?

Thats what I thought too, people in this thread are giving anecdotal evidence of "being productive in dreams" and then telltelling stories about one or a small handful of problems their mind voluntarily solved while sleeping, that's a very different thing from the eventual capitalistic dream-learning that is the inevitable ending of this research. They'll claim its a utopian dream of "only learn when you want to", and that its totally optional ... then a few renegade companies adopt it and get ahead, then more adopt it, then its mandatory and performance reviewed.

Re: New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming

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Post by gloomyday »

Supermancho wrote: post #140
dwoldrich wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my 40's I could go to bed with a complex software design or implementation problem I was wrestling with. Consciously word a cogent and succinct question that I needed answered, sleep on it, and then in the morning, I would be still and mentally ask, "well?" Not meditating or anything, just be quiet then and listen. And, in very deadpan style, after a few seconds (as if to choose one's words carefully), some answer…

I subscribe to the Multiplicity of Personality theory (our personalities are a combination of multiple ones). eg My wife and I both have a chaos monkey that emits impulses to do the most destructive and disruptive things, which we sometimes talk about in jest. My dominant personality is one of control (for order) so I can focus on problem solving. Some sort of raw insight/intelligence comes from a personality that is…

I once had a very weird experience on LSD (of course), in which I perceived my brain and thinking as a bunch of separate entities working in synchrony. Only two of them were capable of speech, and some were very simple and reactive. The "me" part was just them agreeing on stuff. I will never forget the experience.

Re: New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming

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Post by booleandilemma »

malux85 wrote: post #181
markus_zhang wrote: post #126

Ah, very soon we will need to work in dreams. Can’t leave any stone of productivity unturned, right?

Thats what I thought too, people in this thread are giving anecdotal evidence of "being productive in dreams" and then telltelling stories about one or a small handful of problems their mind voluntarily solved while sleeping, that's a very different thing from the eventual capitalistic dream-learning that is the inevitable ending of this research. They'll claim its a utopian dream of "only learn when you want to", an…

We really strive at making life into a living hell, don't we?

Re: New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming

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Post by y-curious »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #157
Unai wrote: post #145

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When I was young, I dreamt that I was playing guitar and made up a cool song. When I woke up I was so excited, that's something you would hear an old rockstar say about their best song, right? "Came to me in a dream". I jumped out of bed, grabbed the guitar, and started playing the song, every note still clear in my memory. It was a completely random series of notes.

Richard James did an album of these using synthesizers to record from memory and lucid dreaming to compose.

“Richard James” ok dude do you live in his submarine? Just call him Aphex Twin

Re: New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming

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Post by rdevilla »

dwoldrich wrote: post #169
rdevilla wrote: post #108

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> There's a lot going on upstairs, higher mind stuff. I am older now, and I no longer experience this phenomena. Have I lost it to age, or have I integrated it somehow into my conscious mind? It's similar to what Jaynes described in his "bicameral mind." Man of antiquity "heard" disembodied wisdom dispensed to him, seemingly at random, from an incorporeal source: "gods." Today we simply regard such pseudo-auditory ph…

I view our existence as something like a fractal. World history is a scrambled mess of lies and amnesia (from repeated collective concussions, heh) Who knows what is truth and what is the Victor writing the history books? One's life is untraceable - how did we get here? Literally too much went into that story, majority unseen, and none of us can fully say. And so at the personal level, are thoughts borne out of a cha…

> I do sometimes wonder though with all my weird experiences if I am merely the "doer in the body" whereas I have a higher self who is the real "thinker" running things in the background and who has access to the big picture.

Yes, precisely.

There is a classic initiatory text in the Thelemic tradition, Liber LXV, that personifies these different parts of the self. The "doer in the body" is the scribe that wrote the work, which is a dialogue in the scribe's mind between his egoic awareness (V.V.V.V.V, the namesake of the titular character from V for Vendetta) and the background "thinker," Adonai.

There is a lot of vocabulary in this space used to describe the self at very fine levels of detail.

Re: New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming

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Post by jesse_dot_id »

satvikpendem wrote: post #19
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #9

Lucid dreaming is a cool concept but I've never been able to pull it off. I still try, though!

Keep a dream journal. There any many methods for achieving it but if you keep a dream journal long enough you'll start getting consistent lucid dreams.

Yeah, I do that. I've read many books about it. My particular physiology is just stubborn thus far.

Re: New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #121
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #15

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Yep, same. The dream gets incredibly boring after you get control of it.

> dream gets incredibly boring after you get control of it Wouldn’t go that far. But you have to consciously make it interesting by creating the weirdness.

Maybe it works differently for different people, but I found my creativity incredibly limited once I got the control of the dream. It's like everything just stopped and I could do whatever I wanted, but nothing in the environment reacted to the things I did, just stopped working.

Re: New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming

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Post by hobofan »

typeish wrote: post #52
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #9

Lucid dreaming is a cool concept but I've never been able to pull it off. I still try, though!

there's a wearable dropping this year that's supposed to make it easier to lucid dream: https://www.prophetic.com/

Is there any research that would support that such a device actually works? This just looks like vaporware, and what I was able to find on the /r/luciddreaming subreddit also seems to echo that sentiment.

Re: New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #187
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #121

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> dream gets incredibly boring after you get control of it Wouldn’t go that far. But you have to consciously make it interesting by creating the weirdness.

Maybe it works differently for different people, but I found my creativity incredibly limited once I got the control of the dream. It's like everything just stopped and I could do whatever I wanted, but nothing in the environment reacted to the things I did, just stopped working.

Are your other characters still sentient? Or do they go ragdoll?

Re: New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming

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Post by qsera »

Unai wrote: post #145
mr-wendel wrote: post #111

I was at my first real software job and we had an in-house system to provide automated installers for common open-source applications for our end-users. After I started getting familiar with it I had a dream one night that certain input fields (which were very common) could be rather easily exploited to inject shell commands with root access. I woke up convinced that it was a real bug, went to work the next day, and…

When I was young, I dreamt that I was playing guitar and made up a cool song. When I woke up I was so excited, that's something you would hear an old rockstar say about their best song, right? "Came to me in a dream". I jumped out of bed, grabbed the guitar, and started playing the song, every note still clear in my memory. It was a completely random series of notes.

Yea, I have composed song (music with lyrics) in my dream. But after waking up, didn't remember most of it.

I wonder if I did compose them, or did I just have a memory of having composed a great song?

What is experience, if not our very latest memory, right?

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