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U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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Re: U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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Post by padjo »

someotherperson wrote: post #152
lysace wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of odd assumptions there. As an example: I was out on the streets protesting the 2003 GWB Iraq invasion war. It was mostly obvious before the invasion that the cause was bogus. It was later proven to be bogus. And you seem to have this way of boiling literally everything down to some sort of unspecified racism .

> Lots of odd assumptions there. No assumptions, it's all fact. > I was out on the streets protesting the 2003 GWB Iraq invasion war You mean the war that all the European countries participated in? How about Libya? Syria? or the various conflicts in Israel? Surely you also opposed what's happening in Yemen right? > And you seem to have this way of boiling literally everything down to some sort of unspecified racism…

> You mean the war that all the European countries participated in?

That's just factually incorrect. Most European countries did not take part in the invasion of Iraq. The US famously renamed French fries in protest.

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Post by tokai »

dmurray wrote: post #114
tokai wrote: post #91

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Honest question; why did you believe that about Trump? He was, and is, a serial lier and famously inconsistent. In his first term he moved on the same conflicts he has started now, but was held back circumstances and a cabinet that wasn't 100% yes men. I never understood how anyone could see Trump as the anti-war candidate during the election.

I believed it because he didn't start the same conflicts he started now. More fool me, perhaps, but one person's "held back by circumstances" is another person's "it was all bluster anyway". It was also consistent with a broader policy of isolationism shown during his first term. Reducing support for NATO, backing out of trade deals - all consistent with America First and not being the world's policeman, which has be…

> is another person's "it was all bluster anyway But it wasn't bluster, and it was obvious that it wasn't.

Re: U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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Post by swed420 »

eirikbakke wrote: post #180
swed420 wrote: post #93

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LMAO would love to see that math (which of course would need to account for the cost to the end user of constant rug-pulling, enshitification, github struggling to maintain one 9 of availability, privacy invasion, rampant mental health issues and political division from profit-based social media, etc)

I pay $100/month for Claude Max and it's like having a (nearly) free, very competent employee. Value _way_ exceeds $100/months. But there's a datacenter that has to run that.

You are a fringe minority compared to all of the other "customers" suffering the side effects outlined above that nobody signed up for.

Re: U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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Post by someotherperson »

padjo wrote: post #181
someotherperson wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lots of odd assumptions there. No assumptions, it's all fact. > I was out on the streets protesting the 2003 GWB Iraq invasion war You mean the war that all the European countries participated in? How about Libya? Syria? or the various conflicts in Israel? Surely you also opposed what's happening in Yemen right? > And you seem to have this way of boiling literally everything down to some sort of unspecified racism…

> You mean the war that all the European countries participated in? That's just factually incorrect. Most European countries did not take part in the invasion of Iraq. The US famously renamed French fries in protest.

The only ones that didn’t are France, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Greece. The rest all did. This cohort changed its mind with Libya and Syria not too long after though.

> The US famously renamed French fries in protest.

The same French who very famously made Israel the nuclear-capable pariah state that it is today.

Re: U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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Post by insane_dreamer »

lysace wrote: post #92
insane_dreamer wrote: post #80

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They had an agreement that was working which Trump tore up and then went to war on Israel’s behalf. So it was largely a solved problem until Trump created the problem.

There are two perspectives here: Americans like you (I rudely assume) care more about US domestic policies than I do. Foreigners like me care more about global stability compared to US domestic policies.

I am American, but -- surprise, surprise! -- I care much more about global stability than I do domestic policies. (I've lived/worked many more years outside the US than in the US, on every continent, and have a first-hand understanding of the impact of US policies on the rest of the world.)

But because the US still has the most influence (though waning) on the rest of the world than any other country, its domestic policies can either enhance or threaten global stability. And Trump has been absolutely disastrous -- from see-saw tariffs, to gutting USAID, to destabilizing US-Europe relations, to caving into pressure from Israel (cheered on by idiotic macho-boy Hesgeth) to attack Iran without any real plan (foolishly thinking Iran==Venezuela; do these people know nothing?). So the problem with global stability right now isn't Iran, which was a largely contained problem (despite its never-ending feud with Israel), but Trump.

Re: U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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Post by eirikbakke »

swed420 wrote: post #183
eirikbakke wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay $100/month for Claude Max and it's like having a (nearly) free, very competent employee. Value _way_ exceeds $100/months. But there's a datacenter that has to run that.

You are a fringe minority compared to all of the other "customers" suffering the side effects outlined above that nobody signed up for.

The retort is to the statement that the U.S. war in Iran is "pretty cheap compared to all the AI datacenters".

People are conflating destructive and productive activities. These are fundamentally different.

Re: U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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Post by throw0101c »

jjk166 wrote: post #109
throw0101c wrote: post #72

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> So what were they requesting $200 Billion for? That request was over a month ago and perhaps based on estimates using an operation tempo that was high. After the initial outburst, things may have slowed down. That said, a lot of missiles were used, which, under current production rates, will take years to replenish: some 'extra' money may be needed to pay for production ramp up to get replacements sooner.

> based on estimates using an operation tempo that was high So they were expecting those high tempos to continue for months? > That said, a lot of missiles were used, which, under current production rates, will take years to replenish: some 'extra' money may be needed to pay for production ramp up to get replacements sooner. 8X is a heck of an expedite fee.

> So they were expecting those high tempos to continue for months?

Given the White House 'policy' towards Iran, I'm not sure "expecting" is something that can be practically be done. A Magic 8 Ball would probably be more predictable.

Re: U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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Post by swed420 »

eirikbakke wrote: post #186
swed420 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a fringe minority compared to all of the other "customers" suffering the side effects outlined above that nobody signed up for.

The retort is to the statement that the U.S. war in Iran is "pretty cheap compared to all the AI datacenters". People are conflating destructive and productive activities. These are fundamentally different.

Again, people like you are a tiny subset of all data center "users"

Re: U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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Post by lysace »

someotherperson wrote: post #184
padjo wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You mean the war that all the European countries participated in? That's just factually incorrect. Most European countries did not take part in the invasion of Iraq. The US famously renamed French fries in protest.

The only ones that didn’t are France, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Greece. The rest all did. This cohort changed its mind with Libya and Syria not too long after though. > The US famously renamed French fries in protest. The same French who very famously made Israel the nuclear-capable pariah state that it is today.

That's also quite incorrect. You're missing a lot of countries, like Austria, Switzerland, Ireland, Sweden, Finland, etc. etc.

Re: U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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Post by padjo »

someotherperson wrote: post #184
padjo wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You mean the war that all the European countries participated in? That's just factually incorrect. Most European countries did not take part in the invasion of Iraq. The US famously renamed French fries in protest.

The only ones that didn’t are France, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Greece. The rest all did. This cohort changed its mind with Libya and Syria not too long after though. > The US famously renamed French fries in protest. The same French who very famously made Israel the nuclear-capable pariah state that it is today.

Oh come on, only Poland and the UK joined in the original invasion. The later post invasion involvement by some NATO members was also minimal, not to mention all the non NATO countries that had no involvement. Why make such absurdly fallacious and easily disproven statements?
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