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We need a federation of forges

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Re: We need a federation of forges

#181
I don't know how new Tangled is, but there is a fairly mature github alternative being built on Nostr:

https://gitworkshop.dev/

The basic idea is that you can put your repository on multiple GRASP-compatible nostr relays (GRASP is a sub-protocol that glues nostr and git together), so even if one server goes down you can transparently sync using the others. This means in effect 100% uptime if you choose reliable servers, as well as cryptographically-signed repositories, activity, issues, etc.

Re: We need a federation of forges

#182
Please don't give your users a nickname like "tanglers", groups come up with their own nicknames. It's not as infuriating as when New Relic started calling everyone "Data Nerd", which is actually offensive to me and weirdly aggressive for a corporate product.

Re: We need a federation of forges

#183

The problem I feel with federated solutions is basically the 'cold start' problem. When you are wanting to join a federated network, you have two choices: join a pre-existing server thereby creating the exact same problem you are escaping, ie: a giant server that holds you to its whims, BUT you do get a big network to begin with. Or you start your own server but your network is zero, discoverability is zero, your fee…

Not if you do it over git itself on the existing forge. You basically store everything in git and federate via git forks/mirrors.

Re: We need a federation of forges

#184
post #156

I'd like to preface I'm pretty active in atprotocol ecosystem, so my experience is more than likely a bit more biased, but thought I'd share some of my thoughts as a big fan of tangled. I've really enjoyed Tangled. It has so far been what I've wanted from a GitHub replacement, is simpler and does not have as many features, but it has been the main social/git provider I've been using for personal open source projects…

I'm afraid that atproto will suffer from Bluesky's irrelevance. Not sure if that's a valid fear.

In what sense is bluesky irrelevant in this context? It's obviously not Twitter scale, but no alternative to GitHub will be GitHub scale for a long time to come either...

And it does seem to have the right feature set. Not sure which other social graph/network you could reasonably build a GitHub alternative around that would be less irrelevant....

Re: We need a federation of forges

#185

Please don't give your users a nickname like "tanglers", groups come up with their own nicknames. It's not as infuriating as when New Relic started calling everyone "Data Nerd", which is actually offensive to me and weirdly aggressive for a corporate product.

> Please don't give your users a nickname like "tanglers", groups come up with their own nicknames.

What prompted this? I can't see "tanglers" in the OP. Did you see them calling their users "tanglers" somewhere? Honest question.

Re: We need a federation of forges

#186
Lovely, so yet another promise to federate which will never materialise! Still going with the Drew’s reply in https://is.gd/5wwQy2 (yes, two years old, and he slightly softened his stand since then):

> SourceHut is already federated via email. We have no intention of adding ActivityPub support at this time.

Federated repositories is something very similar to paperless office, distributed authentication (OpenID), and distributed computing … it has been promised since forever, and nobody has ever seen it in the real life, and even less supported by somebody who matters. And yes, those who matter don’t help by sabotaging any efforts towards it.

Re: We need a federation of forges

#187
post #185

Please don't give your users a nickname like "tanglers", groups come up with their own nicknames. It's not as infuriating as when New Relic started calling everyone "Data Nerd", which is actually offensive to me and weirdly aggressive for a corporate product.

> Please don't give your users a nickname like "tanglers", groups come up with their own nicknames. What prompted this? I can't see "tanglers" in the OP. Did you see them calling their users "tanglers" somewhere? Honest question.

It's on the homepage under "Recent updates".

Re: We need a federation of forges

#188

Lots of negativity in the comments and while I'm as distrusting of VC funding as the next guy I think competition in this space is something we should encourage, and bootstrapping that is hard if not impossible at this point. Obviously this post was timed well with the 2-3 GitHub-hating posts that made it to the top of HN yesterday, but I commend the attempt here. I hope it takes off in a meaningful way.

The thing with VC-founded projects is that there's some kind of rug-pull, ads, privacy violation or "feature enhancing" subscription likely coming and as users we should know. I don't really like services that stress how idealistic they are when this is the upcoming reality. Better charge money for services or if you're truly idealistic start it as a non-profit. At the very least communicate what's the monetization p…

The big question is (and I don't know the answer, so not rhetorical) whether the protocol being open can be sufficient to prevent the rug-pull from being too bad...

Re: We need a federation of forges

#189
post #186

Lovely, so yet another promise to federate which will never materialise! Still going with the Drew’s reply in https://is.gd/5wwQy2 (yes, two years old, and he slightly softened his stand since then): > SourceHut is already federated via email. We have no intention of adding ActivityPub support at this time. Federated repositories is something very similar to paperless office, distributed authentication (OpenID), and…

hasn't distributed computing being around and successful for a long time?

nowadays it only cooled down, but that's far from "never seen"

Re: We need a federation of forges

#190
post #186

Lovely, so yet another promise to federate which will never materialise! Still going with the Drew’s reply in https://is.gd/5wwQy2 (yes, two years old, and he slightly softened his stand since then): > SourceHut is already federated via email. We have no intention of adding ActivityPub support at this time. Federated repositories is something very similar to paperless office, distributed authentication (OpenID), and…

Devault being a gigantic dick head has no bearing on whether or not tangled does things. If sourcehut wants to remain the isolated hermit of forges because the greybeards that be think it was better before, let them do so and remain their island of weirdos. We already do the same with the freebsd guys (except that freebsd is actually good and impressive unlike sourcehut)

Sourcehut does not matter, and federation of repos is already a real thing. The ones that don't want to federate just.. don't?

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