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Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by crm9125 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #146

I never understood "forced classification" games like this (as an aside, it's also why I always hated Myers Briggs). Maybe it's because I'm somewhere on the spectrum, but it always seems like a dumb, false choice to me. For example, when I saw the second color, "aqua" immediately popped into my mind. Aqua is literally defined as #00FFFF in RGB color space - no red, equal (max) parts blue and green. So it just felt li…

It's ok that there are things you don't understand in the world. It's just as valid for them to exist, as it is you are upset about it.

Even if aqua is neither more green or more blue, wouldn't it be interesting if when given the choice, the outcome leans toward green or blue to a statistically significant degree? or perhaps that there are differences in how it's perceived based on measurable factors like geography, wealth, height, weight, etc?

Collecting data is how we learn, and discover new things. Even if it seems dumb to you.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by MichaelDickens »

sudobash1 wrote: post #179

As other commenters here have noted, I found this interesting but a little frustrating. The second color it asks about is clearly cyan (or turquoise). For me, this is like showing an orange screen and asking if it is red or yellow. I understand that across cultures "orange" does not exist as a distinctly named color (it only got its name in most European languages around the 1500s), but as someone who was trained sin…

Logically I understand that cyan is directly between green and blue, but my brain believes it's 100% blue.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by irishcoffee »

sudobash1 wrote: post #179

As other commenters here have noted, I found this interesting but a little frustrating. The second color it asks about is clearly cyan (or turquoise). For me, this is like showing an orange screen and asking if it is red or yellow. I understand that across cultures "orange" does not exist as a distinctly named color (it only got its name in most European languages around the 1500s), but as someone who was trained sin…

Taught by whom? I hear parents are wonderful teachers.

Also, lots of kids don't even go to preschool.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by seba_dos1 »

kasey_junk wrote: post #169
parpfish wrote: post #161

I've got a color question that I need some opinions on: When I look at the green/blue boundary region on an HSV color wheel like the ones in this S/O thread [0], it appears as a white un-saturated region. If I look at similar layouts in other colorspaces (e.g., something perceptually uniform like Lab) I don't generally see this white patch. My question is: - I'm colorblind. Do other people also see a white patch ther…

I’m not color blind and see a white barrier between 3 sections(it looks like a 3 piece pie) with lines at the green/blue red/blue and green/yellow boundaries. No idea why

> I'm not color blind

Well... uhm, you may want to verify that claim.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by D-Machine »

Asinine and meaningless. Forces a classification on something that obviously anyone with fully-functioning colour vision will classify as "aquamarine" or "turquoise" or etc.

This has nothing at all to do with colour perception, or, if actual differences in perception are involved, this test fails to distinguish those from individual differences in assignment to linguistic categories.

EDIT: To actually test something like this, you need to make an assumption that cannot easily be tested or supported by evidence.

E.g. say we could all agree that, generally, blue + orange is a more pleasant pairing than blue + green. One might then imagine a series of images using orange + varying interpolations between blue and green, with the prompt being "is this combination of colours more or less aesthetically pleasing than the last". The average cutpoint could then be interpreted as a subjective judgement of where e.g. teals become "more blue", from an aesthetic / complementary standpoint. But this test does nothing of the sort.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by ramonaisonline »

parpfish wrote: post #161

I've got a color question that I need some opinions on: When I look at the green/blue boundary region on an HSV color wheel like the ones in this S/O thread [0], it appears as a white un-saturated region. If I look at similar layouts in other colorspaces (e.g., something perceptually uniform like Lab) I don't generally see this white patch. My question is: - I'm colorblind. Do other people also see a white patch ther…

The boundary regions at 3:00, 7:00, and 11:00 are composite colors that have ~2x the brightness compared to the primary colors of red, green, and blue. For someone without a color vision deficiency, they appear brighter than surrounding colors, but the saturation really only varies with distance from the center. For example, to me, the point at 3:00 on the edge of the circle is the peak of a "ridge" in brightness, but appears as a very saturated teal.

I have a colorblindness simulator on my computer called Sim Daltonism and when I use that on the color wheel, it does indeed appear to have white, desaturated lines radiating from the center at those three angles. In the simulator, the one at 11:00 is the strongest, followed by 3:00, and the 7:00 one is faintest. My hunch is that the perceptually uniform color space samples you're looking at have more uniform brightness, so those boundaries blend in to the surrounding colors better. They look nicer to me too -- they still represent saturated, composite colors like teal, but just at a pleasant, harmonious brightness. It's very interesting to compare perception!

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by scoofy »

sudobash1 wrote: post #179

As other commenters here have noted, I found this interesting but a little frustrating. The second color it asks about is clearly cyan (or turquoise). For me, this is like showing an orange screen and asking if it is red or yellow. I understand that across cultures "orange" does not exist as a distinctly named color (it only got its name in most European languages around the 1500s), but as someone who was trained sin…

I was having a discussion closely related to this recently because of my background in philosophy of language. Languages are functional, but not rigid. The rules and referents of "blue" become kind of pointless around the edges, and narrow words like cyan or turquoise -- even words borrowed from other languages -- are more functional. This is exaggerated further when the functionality becomes very important, which is where technical jargon starts to come into play. Languages should useful to the speaker; they do not define the constraints of the speaker. "Blue" is useful for the average English speaker, but completely useless for a graphic designer.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by D-Machine »

reactordev wrote: post #42
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100%. It's like being asked is this black or white and being shown 50% grey.

That’s the point of this. To find out where in that spectrum your vision lands, not to get a perfect score.

But that is wrong. This doesn't test colour perception or vision, it tests verbal classification of colour perception into a forced binary. Everyone could be perceiving the colour qualia 100% identically, but simply choosing different linguistic cutpoints, meaning you can't say this is about vision / perception at all (it may just be about language use).

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by magarnicle »

antisthenes wrote: post #90
AntiUSAbah wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats the exact point of this experiment to define the inbetween and move it to either green or blue. :/

That makes about as much sense as trying to compete for who can provide the most wrong answer for "2+2="

It's a linguistics thing, it's about word usage more than about colour. You ask someone to get a book off the shelf, and you say "get the blue book" and the person is confused because they see a green book.

We are usually not specific in our day-to-day language, and this exposes/clarifies the issue.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by reactordev »

ajkjk wrote: post #104
reactordev wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

correctness is not the point. binary choice is the whole point. because my blue may not be your blue...

There's no way for me to answer truthfully whether teal is blue or green. It is neither. Anything I give gives a false answer. The data is invalid.

Incorrect, it either lies on the blue side or the green side, you must choose. Neither is not an option.
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